RE: [questioningrel-83] Thoughts on "Recent thoughts from Doug"

From: Douglas S.
Sent on: Thursday, April 22, 2010 2:30 PM
From a materialistic perspective, a kleptomaniac is not an example of a materialistic failing, it is simply how the system works.  With no real morality, we cannot classify a persons actions as either good or evil.

 
To me, the primary purpose of prison is containment.  If it were for rehabilitation, the prison would not be a cage, and if it were for punishment, the prisoners would not have the rights they do.  Since most of the energy of a prison goes into ensuring security, containment is obviously the primary purpose.

Regards,
 
Douglas Scheesley
 

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Subject: Re: Re: [questioningrel-83] Thoughts on "Recent thoughts from Doug"
Date: Tue, 20 Apr[masked]:10:24 -0400

Hey guys and dolls:

New guy here.  I came in fashionably late last meetup after work, got my tush whooped in a game of chess by Doug and talked about the jailer/jailee debate.


I know that the jist of the argument was whether it was a completely moral (i.e. supernatural, perhaps) or a completely materialistic (i.e. natural) failing that caused a thief to steal.  


Two things I wanted to bring up is that 1a) materialist failings, such as a natural kleptomania within the mind of the thief will cause him to steal.  This is why modern jurisprudence takes into account psychiatric causes as well as moral failings.  The idea is that punishment is not what a true kleptomaniac needs, it's rehabilitation.  1b) Furthermore, is punishment the purpose of prisons?  Or is it rehabilitation.  Perhaps prisons should be more of a hospital than a place of punishment.  There is a lot to say on the matter, involving whether or not non-violent criminals and so-called minor offenders should be kept in prison in lieu of of other punishments, such as slap-on-the-wrist fines, suspending driver's licenses, drug rehab, (military?), and an ankle bracelet.  2) There's is a lot to say in terms of the difference between ethics and morality.  To put it short and sweet, ethics are far more universal than morals are.  This distinction has been drawn since Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics, and is most critical in some of Nietzche's works such as Human, all too Human, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and other works like that.


I could speak volumes, but alas, I have child watching to do.


- Jim G.


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