Thanks for your comments Jeff.
As a member of the plant based food world and the Albany Vegetarian
Network, I can especially sympathize with your feelings of not wanting to deal
with aggressive or rude types of personalities. For me the rude and offensive
approach is all around. Look at television commercials, restaurants, clothing
stores, food stores (groceries shopping). Every day I am out in the world I feel
offended by the things I see, the comments made by people. What especially
hurts me is knowing in my heart that eating plant based food is the healthiest
for people, the environment, and of course for the animals. I believe this based
on scientific facts as documented for many years. I know not all people feel the
same or see things eye to eye. Please be cognoscente that people like me
who eat plant based deal with negativity all the time. I, often times feel
ostracized by family, friends, acquaintances. Even our every day language is
filled with sad or disparaging references to animals like "eat like a pig,
crazy as a loon, walk around like a chicken with its head cut off, fleshed
out,". These things however do not deter me from surrounding myself
with all kinds of people and sharing my message. I hope you will continue on
your own path but remain receptive to others as well.
This is a very good DVD that explains why we eat the way we
do, and how eating healthy is best for all of us (cause and
don't expect you would change based on a DVD I just hope you would
check it out and try to understand why some people feel so strongly about it and
that they too are feeling offended, ostracized by the general public. This
DVD does not show any distasteful pics.
for one appreciate your honesty and open candor towards the subject and hope to
meet you at future events vegetarian or otherwise.
PS, I do not portray to speak
for others in the group. I only speak for myself and my
had chosen not to respond to this thread until I saw how it fleshed
(unintentional pun) itself out. Now that I have let me share my
Some folks responded with a kind and understanding
tone, explaining that veggies can eat vegan
but not the other way around, hence the request for vegan fare at the
picnic. To those people, Dave for instance, I thank you for being level
headed and open minded. Your statements are true, and well
Some folks agreed with me, stating they too felt ostracized
for the same reason I set forth. To those people, I wish you the best of
luck...and thank you for seconding my emotion.
The last group I will
address here is the self-righteous, holier than thou, misinformed, aggressive
@$$hole. This group seems to be headed by Francesco, but there is another
name or two I would add to this list. In response to my initial inquiry
Francesco chose to respond with:
Suit yourself. A vegetarian
is somebody that does NOT eat any
animal products at all. Hence the
term comes from vegetation which are all
plants. If you eat any animal
products (eggs and dairy) you are NOT vegetarian.
Let's consider all the
ways this is wrong.
first of all, you begin with "suit yourself."
Clearly no room for discussion with this 'gentleman'. He knows all and
those who don't agree with him are better off going away.
Then he goes on to
define vegetarianism...incorrectly. Ask any other knowledgable person and
they will define a vegetarian as one who abstains from eating animals, but DOES
eat animal products. How dare you tell me I'm not vegetarian?!?! I
am not in competition with you, you small minded, egotist. I have followed
a strict vegetarian diet
1992. I am happy with the lifestyle I lead and the choices I make, and I
make no excuses for it.
i just chose to check out your profile on the meetup,
which was created in 2007 and reads "I'm trying to go fully vegetarian, but need
help cooking. :)" Eff you! In 1992, when you were still hanging off
your mom's teet, I declared myself vegetarian, received the Moosewood Cookbook
for my birthday from my older sister, and have eaten no meat since. Your,
i'll say it again, HOLIER THAN THOU attitude is precisely why people have a hard
time relating to vegetarians. i have had many non-vegetarians explain this
to me over the years. No one wants to feel as if they're being
judged. No one has any right to judge, least of all you, you overnight
To the organizers of this group I do suggest you take a
long hard look at the tone presented by the group, and most particularly by some
of its members. I had hoped to be an active member of your group, but that
clearly is not in the cards. I wish you all the best of luck and hope for
success in spreading the gospel, I just hope it is done in a fashion that
doesn't alienate others.
Thanks for your efforts.
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