Re: Re: Re: [alternativeenergy-11] styrofoam

From: user 8.
Sent on: Thursday, March 4, 2010 5:07 PM
Just do it and teach others, don't dream of big bucks and patents, or it will never get done.

--- On Thu, 3/4/10, David Flint <[address removed]> wrote:

From: David Flint <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [alternativeenergy-11] styrofoam
To: [address removed]
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 4:44 PM

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. (Thomas Paine)

This is because "Government has an odd way of transforming democracy into bureaucracy". (David M. Flint)

How much should Government be involved with development of new energy solutions is a valid debate but a conversation about having government control energy markets is an intolerable one.

As a Green Energy Producer, I would profit greatly from Cap and Trade but I am against it. I am against it because I have already seen in this country how it will be abused on multiple levels, such as throwing Billions of dollars to unsustainable projects dependant on endless subsidies. We also see evidence appearing now in other countries, notably Spain where unemployment is about 20% and green companies are going bankrupt left and right.

There are many new technologies on the horizon and soon we will have a ?Netscape Moment? in the energy field just as we did in the internet. The government simply got out of the way of the developers of information / internet surge and it has done just fine. So it should be with energy. Government should, as with the internet, support infrastructure and security once the dominate needs are defined then get out of the way. If they do this, then the emerging energy sector may just save us from ourselves (Our debit). But if Cap and Trade is passed it will become the nails in our coffin.

At the present time we need to stabilize current supplies to the existing energy infrastructure so that we can maintain a strong enough economy to build the bridge to the next island towards sustainable clean energy. Natural gas is that next step. Although I think Pickens is short sided and too much the profiteer, Natural gas is the best choice because we have it, it?s much cleaner and the infrastructure built for CNG and LNG could be, by regulation, designed for future use with Hydrogen, making for an easy transition in the next decade for transportation. The Bloom Box sound good but still has two to five years to become affordable (50% government subsidies and still not competitive) and will still need some kind of efficient energy source which will probably end up being CNG. The Bloom Box does nothing to solve transportation energy issues unless it can produce the amps needed to power an electric car. Still you would need an energy source. The bloom box in an electric car may not use CNG as efficiently as the newer CNGV?s (limiting range of travel) but it looks like it would be cleaner. Bill Gates? plans to fund research on hyper-fast nuclear reactors is welcomed and if successful would solve most of our large scale grid electricity issues forever and allow us to make Hydrogen cheep. But that is a long way off. You can?t build a second story on a vacant lot.
Within 24 months we could begin significantly reducing pollution and GHG across the entire nation by switching to natural gas now. We would boost and stabilize the economy, cutting imports, creating and moving jobs from oil to natural gas and Hydrogen. Add the expanded use of other current technologies such as energy recovery, waste to energy, wind and solar, I think you would see faster and longer lasting results for both the environment and the economy.


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Gene Hawkridge <[address removed]> wrote:
Which takes less energy to produce, and has the smallest carbon footprint, cardboard or styrofoam? Everything is related to energy, if you ask the right questions.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Michael Donnellan <[address removed]> wrote:
What is this crap and what has it got to do with energy? It is
nothing more than endless ranting of the "less government" crowd and
their misplaced enthusiasm in the altruism of the private sector.
This is totally inappropriate for this forum.





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