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Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley

From: Nick C.
Sent on: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:38 PM
Loren is correct. Biodiesel production is not the same as ethanol
production. In fact I think they just built a biodiesel plant near
Phoenix that recycles grease from fast food places into biodiesel.
This is stuff that would usually go to landfills.

Nick

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Loren Rosenberg
<[address removed]> wrote:
> I respectfully disagree.  While it is true that corn ethanol is a terrible
> idea, I do not believe that painting the entire biofuels arena with such a
> broad brush is correct.  The development of algae based technology, as you
> pointed out, is one source of biofuel feedstock.  Sorghum and Jatropha both
> hold some promise.  Waste fats and oils are already being commercially
> refined into biodiesel.
> None of the alternatives are perfect - electric vehicles essentially consume
> coal, public transportation networks work to a certain extent, but cities
> are designed around car ownership, car ownership is drastically on the rise
> worldwide.  Also, our foreign policy has largely been dictated by our need
> for oil.  Biofuels are not the answer, but they are an answer.
> Assuming that you are correct, however, what should we do to shift our
> dependence on oil, particularly in the transportation sector.  If it is a
> shift to an entire new technology, what do we do about the existing
> infrastructure?  How do we pay for the new infrastructure?
> Thanks,
> Loren
> On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Rebecca Schneider wrote:
>
> Biofuels are not ecological nor sustainable.  They use more energy to create
> than they generate and create more overall pollution than they resolve.  I
> fully hope that any and all advocates of biofuels eventually see the light,
> as it were, and move away from that to truly sustainable energy sources.
> The only biofuel production I've seen that MIGHT be environmentally truly
> friendly is the algae production currently being investigated by ASU.  The
> rest, to my knowledge, simply is not.
>
> Rebecca
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> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Loren Rosenberg
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>> Hello all
>> I am a graduate student at ASU's School of Sustainability.  I am trying to
>> develop a research topic regarding the barriers that entrepreneurs face in
>> developing alternative energy startup companies.  My primary focus will be
>> on biofuels.  I am developing a list of potential contacts here in the
>> valley.  Any thoughts on the subject would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Loren Rosenberg
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>> Arizona State University
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