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Re: Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - Preview not available user 1. Nov 26, 2008 1:39 PM
Re: Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - Message Dick Nov 26, 2008 12:57 PM
RE: [alternativeenergy-35] hho from solar...... - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } To: [address removed] From: L.tuttl user 8. Nov 25, 2008 11:06 PM
Re: Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - Dear Fellow Alternative Energy-Meet-up people, Pete Nov 25, 2008 11:02 PM
RE: Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - Message user 4. Nov 25, 2008 6:08 PM
Re: Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - WOW!! How did you ever get them to do that testing for you -- I tried and could not...<G> Interesting #'s......I went to a private company for my initial testing, and STILL waiting for car computer 're-do' to adjust user 7. Nov 25, 2008 4:16 PM
Re: Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - Dear Lyle, &n Pete Nov 25, 2008 3:38 PM
Re: Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - At 12:50 PM 11/25/2008, you wrote: Dear Steve and others, This looks like a very promising add-on device as reported in Scientific American user 7. Nov 25, 2008 2:53 PM
Re: Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - At 12:26 PM 11/25/2008, you wrote: I just spotted something of interest in the December 2008 issue of Scientific American: (Page 42) user 7. Nov 25, 2008 2:17 PM
Re: Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - Dear Steve and others, &nb Pete Nov 25, 2008 12:50 PM
Fw: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - Steve Nov 25, 2008 12:26 PM
RE: [alternativeenergy-35] hho from solar...... - At 11:01 AM 11/25/2008, you wrote: Interesting idea. Run a simple calculation to find ROI on this fueling station: total of costs to build and equip, add in debt service if $$ borrowed user 7. Nov 25, 2008 11:13 AM
RE: [alternativeenergy-35] hho from solar...... - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Interesting idea. Run a simple calculation to find ROI on this fueling s user 8. Nov 25, 2008 11:01 AM
hho from solar...... - More fueling stations: http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com­/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-dist­ribution/u-s-army-putting-up-h­ydrogen-fueling-stations/ user 7. Nov 25, 2008 6:14 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - Exactly what I was talking about, Steve!! There are great ways to produce biodiesel without using arable land or food crops. This is something I had seen before and what I had in mind in my post. It's compact, efficient, fast an Rebecca S. Nov 25, 2008 1:08 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] The Venus Project - Mary Lou, We get the Ed Begely JR Earth Cinema series of DVD's . I'd be glad to loan then to you so you could show them to your group. They cover a wide range of issues and are very good. Jim Stack user 2. Nov 24, 2008 10:38 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - Steve and others: Algae fuel for cars- Pete Nov 24, 2008 5:54 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - Steve Nov 24, 2008 5:13 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] The Venus Project - Dear Mark, I have been thinking of restarting a movie group in my home. It sounds like these flicks would make for some interesting and fun discussion. I am in Tempe. If this is viable contact me on my personal email. MaryLou B. Nov 24, 2008 4:50 PM
The Venus Project - mark Nov 24, 2008 3:11 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - mark Nov 24, 2008 12:50 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - All well and good if all we're talking about is using throw away oils to produce biodiesel. Then, it is a spendid idea to reuse what would simply become trash. However, to use food crops or arable land to create fuel is both wrong and Rebecca S. Nov 24, 2008 6:33 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - Loren is correct. Biodiesel production is not the same as ethanol production. In fact I think they just built a biodiesel plant near Phoenix that recycles grease from fast food places into biodiesel. This is stuff that would usually go to landfills. Nick C. Nov 23, 2008 10:38 PM
RE: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - I can give you a ride in my solar powered golf cart. The only truly solar powered vehicle in daily use. Please visit my website to see my other innovative products from an alter. Energy sustainable startup. Thx, Randy Randy Stevens SOLARGREENCO Randy S. Nov 23, 2008 6:01 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] interesting article - Thank you -- I will check them out.....I knew it was vintage 2007...... At 12:05 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote: >Omigosh! This old story from CNW Marketing is being >recirculated. It has been thoroughly discredited in every way - see >link below. Th user 7. Nov 23, 2008 5:28 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - I respectfully disagree. While it is true that corn ethanol is a terrible idea, I do not believe that painting the entire biofuels arena wit Loren R. Nov 23, 2008 1:35 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - Biofuels are not ecological nor sustainable. They use more energy to create than they generate and create more overall pollution than they resolve. I fully hope that any and all advocates of biofuels eventually see the light, as it were, Rebecca S. Nov 23, 2008 1:20 PM
RE: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } We have tested this device and others like it on a number of vehicles. In each vernon v. Nov 23, 2008 12:42 PM
[alternativeenergy-35] Bio Fuels in the Valley - Hello all I am a graduate student at ASU's School of Sustainability. I am trying to develop a research topic regarding the barriers that entrepreneurs face in developing alternative energy startup companies. My primary focus will be on biofuel Loren R. Nov 23, 2008 12:32 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] interesting article - Omigosh! This old story from CNW Marketing is being recirculated. It has been thoroughly discredited in every way - see link below. The references to Sudbury describe the mining damage from over thirty years ago - see second link. http://www.the Dick Nov 23, 2008 12:05 PM
interesting article - Interesting...........anyone want to move to Sudbury, Ontario??? http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder­/editorial/print_item.asp?News­ID=188 user 7. Nov 23, 2008 10:57 AM
RE: [alternativeenergy-35] Can you pls give to this. - Message user 4. Nov 23, 2008 8:16 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Can you pls give to this. - Dear Colette,   Pete Nov 23, 2008 8:11 AM
Can you pls give to this. - Message user 4. Nov 23, 2008 8:06 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - At 11:45 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote: Dear Jon and Lyle and others: I am somewhat familiar with this device. It is an add-on, on board user 7. Nov 22, 2008 6:23 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - Dear Jon and Lyle and others: &n Pete Nov 21, 2008 11:45 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Hydrogen on Demand..... - Here is another adaptation of the use of hydrogen. Makes sense as long as the hydrogen is cheap enough and is not generated from or by using fossil fuels. Unfortunately, that is not yet true. Jon < Jon F. Nov 21, 2008 7:56 PM
Hydrogen on Demand..... - http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com­/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-gas-­savers/hydrogen-on-demand-make­s-1st-appearance-at-l-a-auto-s­how/ user 7. Nov 21, 2008 12:08 PM
RE: [alternativeenergy-35] ASU Sustainability seminar this M-W - What is the brand name of the panel that will last 100 years with 2% efficiency loss? Thx, Randy -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Monday, November 1 Randy S. Nov 19, 2008 7:32 AM
Fwd: ECOtality Announces Revenue of $2.9 Million for Third Quarter 2008 - user 7. Nov 19, 2008 6:08 AM
ASU Sustainability seminar this M-W - The ASU Photovoltaic Testing Laboratory has been "spun off." There's more to it than that, which isn't being shared, but it, the only lab in the United States accredited for PV Design Qualification and Type Approval, was just sold to TUV Rheinland & user 2. Nov 17, 2008 11:54 PM
EUROPEAN PHOTOVOLTAIC PROJECTS[masked] - http://ec.europa.eu/research/e­nergy/pdf/european_photovoltai­cs_en.pdf user 2. Nov 17, 2008 7:47 PM
"Clean Coal" - A Myth that should not be perpetuated - Mr. Anda: I was following along for a while in your article, Cap It = Carbon Abatement Pro-rata w/Industrial Trading Jon F. Nov 17, 2008 2:36 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] alt energy section in WSJ - Thanks, John. I'll try to pick one up. This is going to be a really hard issue in the next few months. It will be too easy to NOT invest in new technology because money and credit is tight. We have to keep our eye on bold new measures - REAL c Jon F. Nov 17, 2008 1:31 PM
alt energy section in WSJ - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Hi all, The Wall Street Journal has an entire section devoted to oil de user 8. Nov 17, 2008 10:12 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] wait or weight? - Hydrogen can be part of the solution but so far the PEM fuel cells are over half a million dollars. This makes a lithium battery electric like the ACPropulsion eBox at $70K look cheap. Battery electrics also have user 2. Nov 11, 2008 7:40 PM
wait or weight? - I am hesitant to share this, as I'm sure that some will consider it a slam against plug-in cars.....but that is NOT my intent. I am just interested in finding th quickest, best way to get off oil! http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com­/blog2/index.php/hyd user 7. Nov 11, 2008 10:31 AM
article - Here, I will copy it for you: Articles E-mail user 7. Nov 11, 2008 9:55 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] energy savings - It is perfect on my screen.......shall I email it (look in the header at the top right of the page) to the list? Anyone else seeing this problem? At 08:36 AM 11/11/2008, you wrote: >Dear Lyle, > > The left side of the article is cut off. user 7. Nov 11, 2008 9:54 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] energy savings - Dear Lyle, The left side of the article is cut off. I don't know if you noticed. First time I've seen this on a forward to a web site. Pete Nov 11, 2008 8:35 AM
energy savings - Another good idea..... http://www.wateronline.com/art­icle.mvc/City-To-Turn-Wastewat­er-Into-Energy-0001 user 7. Nov 11, 2008 7:05 AM
Meetup details changed: The Phoenix Alternative Energy November Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://alternativeenergy.meetu­p.com/35/calendar/8944183/ When: November 8,[masked]:30 PM Whe Jon F. Nov 7, 2008 12:28 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: P3Chairman sent you a video: "The Silver Bullet by Harry Braun" - Joyce--   Pete Oct 29, 2008 9:29 AM
Fwd: P3Chairman sent you a video: "The Silver Bullet by Harry Braun" - Subject: P3Chairman sent you a video: "The Silver Bullet by Harry Braun" Joyce M. Oct 29, 2008 8:48 AM
Concentrating Solar Thermal System Event - this Thursday - ASEA Thought you might be interested in this free lecture: Solar Parabolic Systems vs. The Others Thursday October 23rd 2008 7pm-8:30pm Scottsdale Civic Center Library 3839 N. Drinkwater Blvd. Jon F. Oct 22, 2008 1:26 AM
Solar Events - The City Tour for Solar is a mobile photovoltaic (PV) solar educational event that will travel across 50 cities in 100 days, educating citizens and city leaders on the benefits and viability of solar power. It will allow visitors to see and touch solar ma Jon F. Oct 22, 2008 1:23 AM
RE: [alternativeenergy-35] Presentation on Solar Thermal Utility Power - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Here's an interesting article (and a good read) about falling oil prices and po user 8. Oct 21, 2008 9:26 AM
Presentation on Solar Thermal Utility Power - Free Lecture Solar Parabolic Systems vs. The Other systems Scottsdale Civic Center Library Thursday October 23rd[masked]pm-8:30pm Peter Thompson from Abengoa Solar will be in the Valley to talk about Parabolic Systems (also known Jon F. Oct 20, 2008 2:33 AM
first light rail accident - Last Wednesday when Light Rail was making a trial run, a bus was stopped on the tracks(!!!) at University & Rural. Though the train stopped, it got close enough to trigger the RR crossing lights & so the arm that blocks the road came down on the bus user 2. Oct 19, 2008 9:46 AM
Solar and Sustainable Buildings Tour - This is a great event. Want to car-pool from the East Valley? Contact MaryLou from the Meet-Up Web site. Thanks. Jon ------------------------------­----- October 18 -[masked] 9 a.m. - 4 p.m. both days Jon F. Oct 17, 2008 2:04 PM
How Congress does Math.... - Those of you that missed the meeting today were not priviy to some interesting discussions about the reason we had to be "rescued"..... Lo and behold -- when I arrived home, I checked my email and found th user 7. Oct 11, 2008 9:18 PM
HHO generation - Lots of new ways to generate hydrogen....for less and less money.....using lees and less costly raw materials.... http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com­/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-prod­uction/researchers-say-hydroge­n-from-waste-to-cost-2-to-3-a-­gallon/ user 7. Oct 9, 2008 4:11 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Another Saturday Event - Preview not available Lindy Oct 9, 2008 6:11 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Another Saturday Event - Preview not available user 2. Oct 8, 2008 11:25 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Another Saturday Event - Hi, Thanks for updating me. I'll not be available for this meeting. Joyce On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Jon Findley < nrgarizo Joyce M. Oct 8, 2008 8:26 PM
Another Saturday Event - Before our regular monthly meeting you might want to attend Another Saturday Event Sat Oct 11th: Tour de Fat , a traveling bicycle festival brought to you by New Belgian Brewing Co. The event, which is happening at Tempe Town Lake, includ Jon F. Oct 7, 2008 11:50 PM
Fwd: [SFSUS] GPSA Hosting Presidential Debate Reception - TONIGHT!!! - Sorry for the late notice on this one... I just got it this afternoon. Hirt is very much into environmental policy and I'm sure energy issues will come up. Jon ---------- Forwarded message -------- Jon F. Oct 7, 2008 4:16 PM
Re: RE: [alternativeenergy-35] Upcoming events at ASU - Hi Mark, Please forgive me for not responding to your note about my thoughts on hydrogen not being my preferred means of propulsion for land vehicles. I've been starting the engineering / CAD department for a new solar energy firm & haven't had t user 2. Oct 7, 2008 2:03 PM
Meetup details changed: The Phoenix Alternative Energy October Meetup - New Location - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://alternativeenergy.meetu­p.com/35/calendar/8751812/ When: October 11,[masked]:30 PM Jon F. Oct 7, 2008 4:05 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Upcoming events at ASU - I met this gentleman at the Green Summit. I too spoke to him informally about our group. I see great value in having him come out to talk about algae. MaryLou On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:49 P MaryLou B. Oct 6, 2008 8:51 PM
RE: [alternativeenergy-35] Upcoming events at ASU - Greg; I spoke today at EcoMonday, next week for ASU faculty wives and Az Science Center and the following at the College of Law and in Seattle at the Algal Biomass Summit. Algae represent the best near term solution for liquid transportation fuels and Mark E. Oct 6, 2008 10:48 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] new beginnings - At 12:51 AM 10/6/2008, you wrote: Lyle: I'm looking forward to the conference and getting an update on where we are. You said: " Also in attendance was user 7. Oct 6, 2008 5:47 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] new beginnings - Lyle: I'm looking forward to the conference and getting an update on where we are. You said: " Also in attendance was one of the outgoing ACC members, and when I told the attendees about the expo for Jon F. Oct 6, 2008 12:51 AM
Upcoming events at ASU - Preview not available user 2. Oct 5, 2008 11:19 PM
Renewable Energy Tax Credits Extended with $700b rip off! - Preview not available user 2. Oct 5, 2008 9:13 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - Dear Pete and anyone who may be listening, I have been trying to follow this conversation and it is not easy. (First I would say to anyone who may be a new member, please do not paint all the AEMembers with one brush, b MaryLou B. Oct 4, 2008 5:26 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - Preview not available Pete Oct 4, 2008 2:07 PM
new beginnings - Thanks to all for taking my gentle ribbing so graciously -- now, it's time to get back to something we CAN actually do something about: Alternate Energy. We've talked solar and HHO -- what's next? user 7. Oct 4, 2008 1:48 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - Preview not available user 1. Oct 4, 2008 1:34 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - At 12:20 AM 10/4/2008, you wrote: Dear Lyle and Jon and others, From Lyle's in depth research on various pieces of legislation before the House t user 7. Oct 4, 2008 6:59 AM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - Dear Lyle and Jon and others, &n Pete Oct 4, 2008 12:20 AM
Debate - FYI: Tune in, watch, and mark your ballots! I wanted to let you know that I'll be debating my opponent this Sunday morning on Sunday Square Off on Channel 12 at 8 a.m. after Meet the Press. I hope you'll tune in. user 7. Oct 3, 2008 8:06 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - At 04:02 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote: Lyle: Thanks for taking the time and effort to get us more details. I'm sure Mr. Shadegg had good reasons for voting against the May energy bill.... user 7. Oct 3, 2008 8:03 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - Lyle: Thanks for taking the time and effort to get us more details. I'm sure Mr. Shadegg had good reasons for voting against the May energy bill.... and the one before that and the one before that and the one before that, e Jon F. Oct 3, 2008 4:02 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - At 02:32 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote: Pete, Why don't you ask him? I'm sure he would be happy to address this as well. Better to ask someone first hand than to second guess a user 7. Oct 3, 2008 2:52 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - At 02:18 PM 10/3/2008, you wrote: Dear Lyle et al, Interesting to read the details on why Cong. Shadegg voted against this particular bill. & user 7. Oct 3, 2008 2:48 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - Pete, Why don't you ask him? I'm sure he would be happy to address this as well. Better to ask someone first hand than to second guess a person's decisions without asking their logic or reasons. Theresa Theresa M. Oct 3, 2008 2:32 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Fwd: H.R. 6049 - Dear Lyle et al, &n Pete Oct 3, 2008 2:18 PM
Fwd: H.R. 6049 - There has been some discussion within this group about how honest Congressman John Shadegg's support for alternative energy has been. Local newspapers (?) have printed headlines telling us how "He Lied" about h user 7. Oct 3, 2008 2:05 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - I also stand corrected in my assertions concerning their appearance. lyle At 04:35 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote: Dear Lyle, Kent et al, &nbs user 7. Oct 1, 2008 5:01 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - Dear Lyle, Kent et al, &nb Pete Oct 1, 2008 4:35 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - At 02:27 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote: Lyle: People like that hate "Other" since it is so ... nonspecific. Spammers are not willing to pay as much for leads that say "Other user 7. Oct 1, 2008 2:48 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - Speculate all you want to, but it is printed on a blog that I find pretty good source of info.....but he COULD be wrong..... And you are correct: IF they come, they will not be together (probably not even same day -- who w user 7. Oct 1, 2008 2:39 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - Lyle: People like that hate "Other" since it is so ... nonspecific. Spammers are not willing to pay as much for leads that say "Other." :-<) I guess the rule is: When in doubt, make something up. Jon F. Oct 1, 2008 2:27 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - Dear Kent, &n Pete Oct 1, 2008 2:26 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - At 01:04 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote: If you are still having trouble, here is the link straight to the conference Web site: http://www.fuelcel user 7. Oct 1, 2008 2:15 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - Dear Kent et al, &n Pete Oct 1, 2008 2:13 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - At 01:39 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote: You don't really think that both major Presidential candidates would be spending several days in Phoenix No, didn't say that...<G>&n user 7. Oct 1, 2008 2:00 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - You don't really think that both major Presidential candidates would be spending several days in Phoenix? at a Fuel Cell Expo in the last week user 1. Oct 1, 2008 1:39 PM
Re: [alternativeenergy-35] Presidential Candidates in Phoenix @ Fuel Cell Expo - If you are still having trouble, here is the link straight to the conference Web site: http://www.fuelcellseminar.com­/ Actually, they bury it because, of course, they want you to p Jon F. Oct 1, 2008 1:03 PM

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