cats and taurine

From: Susan H.
Sent on: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:10 PM
My understanding is that cats cannot be vegan.  They definitely need taurine. Without it they develop cardiomyopathy.
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From: Lee
Sent: Wednesday, October 29,[masked]:53 PM
Subject: Re: [animalwelfare-182] How Being a Vegan Involves Animal Rights

Good point, any effort is better than none. So we need to be careful about possibly distancing animal rights/animal protection activists from the cause if they, or their family members or pets do eat meat and animal products and fish.. Though the entire population, especially people not in our group - need to be  made aware of the terrible torture most animals raised for food and other products and experiments are enduring.  
 
Even though I usually avoid the descriptions and definitely the videos of what is going on, I do appreciate Meeka sending those descriptions because it just reminds me, again, of the importance, for me, to aim towards complete veganism.
 
I must say, my cats eat eggs, chicken and about once a year beef. Though they also eat a lot of grains, veggies and beans.  Does anyone know if it is possible for cats to be vegans? I had heard that they need taurine and I had heard that isn't available in a vegan diet. But if anyone knows other information, please let me know.  (Dogs can be vegans, as far as I know.)
 
 Lee 
 
 
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From: Heather
Sent: Wednesday, October 29,[masked]:28 PM
Subject: Re: [animalwelfare-182] How Being a Vegan Involves Animal Rights

I am fully aware of my food source and do my best to purchase local organic meat.  With all said about our meat source, do you feed your dog kibble? What about the animal rendering of the meat source of cats and dogs in those certain kibbles? Would you ask your dog to eat vegan as well?  How far can you stretch your dollars for yourself and your animals?  Does that still mean I cannot be active about the abuse of domestic dogs and cats because I hate a hamburger for lunch?  I think you have to pick your battles that you can personal afford to fight.  Everyone has the limit they can do and any effort is better than none. Again JIMHO.

Heather

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From: Meeka <[address removed]>
Subject: [animalwelfare-182] How Being a Vegan Involves Animal Rights
To: [address removed]
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:39 PM

To all others who feel like Heather, or are on the fence.

From Heather:
"I am not a vegan, eat meet and I am a member of this meetup group.  I
feel that you can be interested in animal rights and not be a vegan.  JMHO.
 
Heather"


Dear Heather,
Let me start out by stating that I invited your feedback, and thank you. 
Though it bothers me to leave this untouched.  It is your absolute choice to eat
meat, and at the same time find an interest in animal rights.  However, I feel
that you may be unaware of what the meat industry fails to reveal to the
majority of it's consumers-- the gore, suffering, and torture of these
animals, denied the very core concept of this meetup group-- "animal
rights".  If you knew the severity of these rights denied, then I feel you
may change your mind.  

Today, it is no longer the quick and easy death of an animal beheaded, or
painlessly shot for kill.  We only wish.  If it were, these deaths would end the
long, lovely lives of cattle heards in green, sunny pastures, and would make
this industry a different story.  But this is very, VERY far from being the
truth today.

To name a few, here are some of the conditions we're facing at the meat
factory today:  

CHICKENS
*imagine having your beak broken off with a cutting device in order to prevent
cannibalism of your brothers and sisters, due to unimaginable overcrowding
*living 6 inches deep or more in your own fecal waste, and sometimes consuming
this fecal waste due to malnourishment
*hormonal altering of your body for speedy growth, leaving heart and lungs too
large for the body to keep up, resulting in crippling and eventual death
*physical abuse from factory workers, lack of respect for the animal-- as
workers' mindset is the end product on your plate, diseases and wounds are
often left untreated if the meat is still sellable for profit.

BEEF & MILK
*Agriprocessors Inc practices the painful process of CONSCIOUS throat slicing
and trachea ripping from the cow's neck.
*Cows are then dumped upside down from a machine, attempting to stand up..
slipping in their own blood.
*Other factories practice many of their pre-death rituals on animals while it
is still alive.  Burning by branding, drugging, and overmilking on sore, red,
inflammed utters, filling gallon after gallon for the supermarket.

HAM
*A pig is smarter than a human 3 year old, and even more intelligent than a
dog.  Would you eat a dog?  Would you eat a monkey?  No.  I am guessing you
would not.  Because these creatures are intelligent and respectable, as are all
animals.  Though they endure incredible pain that you would never wish on your
family pet.

FISH
Fish suffer incredibly due to overcrowding, swim among toxic fecal waste, and
have a higher death than survival rate on fish farms.

To learn more, go to www.goveg.com


But who cares?  These animals are bread for meat.  These animals dont feel
pain, as neither would a dog or a cat feel these same processes.  No.  These
animals are not the same as pets, they're food.  They're flesh. 
They're a commodity.  

Let's get real.

Animal rights aren't just owed to PETS, they're owed to EVERY animal,
insect to elephant.  Regardless of societal custom and habit, eating meat from
this torturous fashion is wrong; and in the US, there is little escaping it.  No
part of this gives these animals their much deserved basic rights, at the very
least that of not enduring such agonizing lives of pain and torture.  Think
about it in a different light.  The next time you chew a piece of meat, remember
the body part you are consuming of this animal, remember that this body part
moved and this animal lived and breathed, thought, and responded, had character
and a personality.. and after all your research, if you still feel like you must
consume meat, then do it.  But never forget to ask yourself if the suffering
endured was worth the second of flavor on your tongue.

Educate yourselves!

Be Well,
Meeka



From: "Heather" <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29,[masked]:48:20 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: Re: [animalwelfare-182] Animal Rights Activists



I am not a vegan, eat meet and I am a member of this meetup group.  I feel that
you can be interested in animal rights and not be a vegan.  JMHO. 
  
Heather 


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From: Meeka <[address removed]> 
Subject: Re: [animalwelfare-182] Animal Rights Activists 
To: [address removed] 
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:42 PM 

Emma-

Do you have any flyers for this film showing?

Veganism is a very important concept in understanding animal cruelty. Simply
put-- you cannot, CANNOT consume meat being an animal activist today, knowing
the cruelty animals suffer before they get to your plate in the modern meat
industry!  Organic and free range alike, these conditions are commercialized to
produce images of green pastures and happy faces for the concerned market-- all
of which are so far from true!

Because the majority of people eat meat blindly, out of social habit or
tradition.. i think everyone who consumes any animal product should educate
themselves.  If you have a flyer designed, I will help distribute.  Otherwise I
will spread the word verbally, myspace, etc.

I think this is a very important topic that should be advertised as much as
possible!  I am a student of SMCC, but can help your USM group in any way
needed!

My personal email address is [address removed].

I also encourage others who recieve this email for any feedback with organizing
a group, advertising, education, or possibile nonprofit ideas on the meat
industry, veganism, etc.

Thanks,
Meeka






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From: "Emmy" <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Monday, October 27,[masked]:35:54 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: [animalwelfare-182] Animal Rights Activists

Hey everyone,

I am a member of this meet up but haven't been able to attend any  
events. I wanted to share with everyone about ARAT, the Animal Rights  
Activist Team at USM, and that there is always a possibility of  
collaboration for large action. We all have a huge commitment and it  
would be powerful to be known by each other. I will share with the  
team tonight at the meeting about this group. We are also organizing  
the following event.

Meet Your Meat Video Showing and Discussion
Thursday, Nov 13th
7-9pm
The Meg Perry Center
644 Congress Street

The film Meet Your Meat will be shown, both in Spanish and English,  
followed by a discussion. If you have seen this video, or haven't, I  
would encourage you to come for the discussion, and to bring people.  
It is a film of footage from within factory farms, so know that it is  
graphic, yet important to be aware of. We simply have to begin taking  
responsibility for our 'food' system and eating practices.

Thanks for reading, and let me know if you have any questions by replying.

Love and kindness, Emmy



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I am not a vegan, eat meet and I am a member of this meetup group.  I feel
that you can be interested in animal rights and not be a vegan.  JMHO. 
  
Heather 


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From: Meeka <[address removed]> 
Subject: Re: [animalwelfare-182] Animal Rights Activists 
To: [address removed] 
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:42 PM 

Emma-

Do you have any flyers for this film showing?

Veganism is a very important concept in understanding animal cruelty. Simply
put-- you cannot, CANNOT consume meat being an animal activist today, knowing
the cruelty animals suffer before they get to your plate in the modern meat
industry!  Organic and free range alike, these conditions are commercialized to
produce images of green pastures and happy faces for the concerned market-- all
of which are so far from true!

Because the majority of people eat meat blindly, out of social habit or
tradition.. i think everyone who consumes any animal product should educate
themselves.  If you have a flyer designed, I will help distribute.  Otherwise I
will spread the word verbally, myspace, etc.

I think this is a very important topic that should be advertised as much as
possible!  I am a student of SMCC, but can help your USM group in any way
needed!

My personal email address is [address removed].

I also encourage others who recieve this email for any feedback with organizing
a group, advertising, education, or possibile nonprofit ideas on the meat
industry, veganism, etc.

Thanks,
Meeka






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From: "Emmy" <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Monday, October 27,[masked]:35:54 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: [animalwelfare-182] Animal Rights Activists

Hey everyone,

I am a member of this meet up but haven't been able to attend any  
events. I wanted to share with everyone about ARAT, the Animal Rights  
Activist Team at USM, and that there is always a possibility of  
collaboration for large action. We all have a huge commitment and it  
would be powerful to be known by each other. I will share with the  
team tonight at the meeting about this group. We are also organizing  
the following event.

Meet Your Meat Video Showing and Discussion
Thursday, Nov 13th
7-9pm
The Meg Perry Center
644 Congress Street

The film Meet Your Meat will be shown, both in Spanish and English,  
followed by a discussion. If you have seen this video, or haven't, I  
would encourage you to come for the discussion, and to bring people.  
It is a film of footage from within factory farms, so know that it is  
graphic, yet important to be aware of. We simply have to begin taking  
responsibility for our 'food' system and eating practices.

Thanks for reading, and let me know if you have any questions by replying.

Love and kindness, Emmy



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