"Reasonable Living" sponsored by LAF and Recovering Religionists

  • April 28, 2013 · 10:00 AM
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Reasonable Living is a weekly small-group study experience which is offered as a secular alternative to religious Sunday school. It’s primary goal is to create a growing, caring intentional community within which anyone who is interested can explore together the secular life. Weekly study sessions will be offered every Sunday from 10 a.m. to 11:30 at a location in central Louisville (location visible to members only).

Reasonable Living is sponsored by Recovering Religionists, an affiliate of the Kentucky Secular Society, and Louisville Atheists and Freethinkers. Study topics and curricula are chosen by the group and led by senior group members and by the group’s facilitator, a former christian minister.

Currently, we are studying the book, Reason and Reverence, by William R. Murry. Pick up a copy at Amazon and join us as we discuss this interesting and thought-provoking book.

If you are interested in participating in Reasonable Living, please RSVP "Yes" through this meetup site. If you do not plan on participating, an RSVP is not necessary. Thanks.

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  • Frank Lovell

    As I mentioned during Sunday's (April 28) discussion, here (again) is the libertarian formulation of the Golden Rule, which I propose to be the humanistic reverent naturalist's BEDROCK Fundamental Ethical Principle from which all secular ethical/moral behavior can be derived:

    Do unto OTHERS as THEY want to be done unto (or else leave 'em the heck alone, at least to the extent that they'll leave you alone).

    Please think about it -- and then, if anyone can propose an even BETTER, MORE fundamental BEDROCK secular ethical principle from which all secular ethical/moral behavior can be derived, I beg to learn of it, that I may reconsider my proposal and perhaps myself be persuaded to endorse a different one. THANK YOU!

    2 · April 28, 2013

    • John Kiel

      I first heard it called the "platinum rule" a number of years ago, by a guy named Mike Earl, who had a website called Reason Works. IIRC, he described it as simply doing unto others, as they would have done to themselves.

      April 29, 2013

    • Frank Lovell

      I learned of the formulation, "...as THEY want to be done unto...", back in the mid-1990s in a discussion on a libertarian website, but I was sheltered from learning that it was named "The Platinum Rule" until Fran's comment above. I am glad to learn its name, for it is much shorter than what I have been calling it for nearly 20 years! I added the parenthetical some years back when someone objected by asking what about the case where someone wants to be done unto in a way I cannot do (for instance, say, a person wants me to believe in on "faith" and trust in and pray to a[n alleged] God, or wants me to outright give him my house and car, or a masochist wants me to flay him with a whip, or a broken-hearted person wants me to help him commit suicide by shooting him -- in such cases where I cannot do unto someone what they want me to do I can at least leave them the heck alone -- IF they'll reciprocate and leave me alone.

      1 · April 29, 2013

  • Mike S.

    I apologize that I was crazy late, but I'm glad that I made it because, as usual, it was great!
    Also, Jeff's fresh cut was super-stylin'!

    April 29, 2013

  • Johnny Au Gratin

    I'm sorry that I had to cut out early as I was enjoying the discussion with you all so much. The irony is that I left early to have breakfast at That Place on Goss with my favorite sister, who I see so rarely, and we had to wait nearly an hour to get seated right next to the guitarist. We only caught every third word or so of what each other had to say.

    Frank, I have always liked this particular phrasing of the Fundamental Ethical Principle:

    "Treat others as ends in themselves, and not as a means to an end."

    I think your formulation captures the essence of that with its focus on not projecting your own preferences onto others. I particularly like the parenthetical part, a much needed reminder to those who can't seem to mind their own business.

    2 · April 29, 2013

  • Fran Englander

    Brilliant, lovely, ethical, and entertaining, as always.

    2 · April 28, 2013

  • Phil Johnston

    We'll be a little late.

    April 28, 2013

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