"IS THERE SUCH A THING AS "TOO ATHEIST?" - NYCA JUNE 17TH DISCUSSION MEETUP

  • June 17, 2014 · 7:00 PM
  • Stone Creek


GROUP LEADER: MICHAEL DORIAN



 

SUBJECT: "IS THERE SUCH A THING AS "TOO ATHEIST?"

Would you rather build bridges with believers or see religion eliminated altogether?  Is there a  middle ground?  Or does giving ample latitude to religion's open inclusion in our public institutions and our cultural fabric just thwart the progress of society?  And do more harm than good at this point?

What are the options?  March in the streets against religion?  Lampoon its adherents?  Pretend it doesn't exist?  Or fight it with every fiber of your being?  Can you ever be "too much of an Atheist"?  At what point does it do us more harm than good?  Can it work against us?  What's the best tack to take?

Come be part of this lively and important discussion!  And socialize with us in the bar after the group conversation...

WHEN: Tuesday June 17th at 7:00 p.m.

WHERE: Stone Creek Lounge 140 E. 27th St. b/w 3rd & Lex - REAR ROOM

Cost is free but NYCA asks that you buy a drink or a bite to defray the room cost.  Hope to see you there!

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  • Michael D.

    Oh, by the way, apparently there was a problem with the sign-up sheet last night. If any of you gave your names/email addresses, can you please either leave them here again or message me thru Meetup or FB with the info? Here's my FB page link if you care to do this or to become FB friends: https://www.facebook.com/michael.dorian.359?ref=tn_tnmn

    June 18, 2014

  • Michael D.

    NYC Atheists had one of its best discussion groups ever last night! An extremely lively and well attended event. Many new faces, and people from all over the world: Bangladesh, Finland, Mexico, and Peru. An excellent bunch of folks! NYC Atheists and I thank everyone who came out and made last night such a good one. Next one is July 15th.

    3 · June 18, 2014

  • Brian J

    I had a great time. The debates were awesome! :)

    2 · June 18, 2014

  • sharif r.

    Lack of knowledge is not an excuse any more. We as non beleivers has a crucial role to educate others. Conscious citizenship is the base of tolerance and acceptance. We have to educate each other.. learn from each other as I did by being there.. united we stand..

    5 · June 18, 2014

  • Yolanda

    Had a great time! Great group full of incredibly intelligent and passionate people.

    3 · June 17, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    I usually tend to entertain all propositions including "being too something" prior to occupying a position. Look forward to the conversation/discussion.

    June 17, 2014

  • Jane E.

    When you ask a question like, "Is there such a thing as being too Atheist?" you are putting out there the idea that there is such a thing. Wouldn't gays be insulted if you asked "Is there such a thing as being too gay?" Wouldn't Blacks be insulted if you asked, "Is there such a thing as being too Black?" Wouldn't women be insulted if you asked, "Is there such a thing as being too feminist?" All of these groups are fighting for their civil rights. Would you dare to imply that what they are fighting for is, umm, maybe a little extreme? Maybe they should move more to the middle and become, well, sort-of gay? Or move from Black to, say, light Brown? Or from feminist to asking for, pretty please, 75 percent of what men earn in the same jobs? In others words, you are asking us to water down our dreams and our demands.

    2 · June 13, 2014

    • Brian J

      I absolutely agree with Michael. :)

      June 17, 2014

    • Brian J

      I also agree with Jane. Apparently, Christians get offended when we ask questions. Well screw that, we should keep asking questions, and challenge their beliefs. And we should criticize, when it's necessary.

      2 · June 17, 2014

  • Julien L

    So what's going on in those meetings?

    June 1, 2014

    • The Godless R.

      A discussion with all involved. And then some fun-filled drinking and socializing afterward. You can eat and drink during the conversation, too...

      June 16, 2014

  • Jane E.

    Commencement speech at Emory University

    John Lewis, congressman and civil rights leader

    “I saw those signs that said ‘white men,’ ‘colored men,’ ‘white women,’ ‘colored women,’ ‘white waiting,’ ‘colored waiting.’ I would come home and ask my mother, my father, my grandparents, my great-grandparents, ‘Why?’ They would say: ‘That’s the way it is. Don’t get in the way. Don’t get in trouble.’ ... “In 1957, I met Rosa Parks at the age of 17. In 1958, at the age of 18, I met Martin Luther King Jr., and these two individuals inspired me to get in the way, to get in trouble. So I come here to say to you this morning, on this beautiful campus, with your great education, you must find a way to get in the way. You must find a way to get in trouble — good trouble, necessary trouble.”

    2 · June 15, 2014

    • Brian J

      That's a beautiful statement. :)

      1 · June 15, 2014

    • Jane E.

      I should add to the Commencement speech above: NYCA has recently been criticized for going out on a limb about the Miracle Cross case.
      We will continue going out on limbs. It is our "necessary trouble."
      Jane Everhart
      NYC Atheists Inc.

      1 · June 16, 2014

  • Gerry-G-Goldberg

    Jane, Thanks for the Constitutional clarification. Also, didn't realize you were being sardonic in an earlier post. Best wishes.

    1 · June 15, 2014

    • Jane E.

      You're welcome, Gerry, and thanks for being a gentleman. I should know by now that sardonic doesn't come across in emails. You will find, if you get involved in the secular movement to any extent, that you become sort-of a Constitutional expert after a while. Plus, you find out about case law all over the country that has expanded and amplified the Constitution.

      June 15, 2014

  • Jane E.

    Dorian, I have never known Atheists to do any harm. No Atheist organization has ever started a war or killed anybody or imprisoned anybody or tortured anybody. But religion-backed organizations have done all of those things.

    June 14, 2014

    • Jane E.

      Brian, if you slander or defame someone on this meetup site, we cannot allow that.

      1 · June 14, 2014

    • Brian J

      Sorry, I was just giving one example. My apologies.

      1 · June 14, 2014

  • Gerry-G-Goldberg

    Jane: Separation of Church and State; Freedom of Religion (or not to believe). Also, I was referring to your reply to someone else, on the subject.

    June 13, 2014

    • Jane E.

      You are absolutely wrong and that's why I was, forgive me, being a little sardonic. The Constitution says only that the U.S. government cannot establish a state church or prevent anyone from practicing their religion. It's called the Establishment Clause. There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that protects nonbelievers.

      June 14, 2014

  • Gerry-G-Goldberg

    Jane: Speaking only on the idea of the " conscious " belief in a supernatural Deity , the question remains one of a person's individual belief, not whether such Deity does exist. The examples you cite are subject to either objective or subjective examination. Also, this is not a civil rights question; although unpopular. It's a Constitutionally protected right to not believe.

    June 13, 2014

    • Jane E.

      Hmmm. I think you are talking about the Thursday, June 26th NYCA meeting, which is about Mr. Deity, the comic god who thinks He is misunderstood by humans. But it's hard to figure out what you are saying subject to either objective or subjective tralala.

      June 13, 2014

    • Jane E.

      Where in the Constitution does it say we have a protected right to not believe? How could I have missed that?

      June 13, 2014

  • Jane E.

    Julien, come and find out. This give-and-take discussion group has been going on at the Stone Creek for more than 6 years. It's a good place to question, to vent and to meet new people. It's a place where you can talk about things that you can't talk about at your job, with your family or with your bowling buddies.

    1 · June 9, 2014

    • Julien L

      I won't miss it! Everybody already know I'm an atheist at work and in my family, I don't do any effort to hide it and I'm really open about it, but it will be nice to meet people who have arguments to offer.

      June 13, 2014

  • Jane E.

    Sorry, Dorian, but I take umbrage at this question. Can you imagine the Catholic church posing the question, "Is there such a thing as being too Catholic?"

    June 13, 2014

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