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RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union

From: user 7.
Sent on: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:31 PM
Belief occurs due to the abdication of rational thought. No 'believers'
judgement can be trusted. I find a corelation between believers IQ and their
mental health,- the smarter the believer, the more sociopathic.

Quoting Abby <[address removed]>:

> I'm not convinced that Americans are "more religious than the rest of the
> civilized world."  Yes, we've got the Bible Belt, but European countries
> have their own enclaves of religious fundamentalism.  And let's not forget
> the Middle East.  I'd say that Turkey is a more religious country than
> America.
> American fundamentalists are just very outspoken.  They have a lot of room
> and freedom in this country to congregate.
> But that's part of what makes America a nice place to live.  Freedom of
> religion.  You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a Christian, and
> free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't impinge upon the
> safety of others, I don't have a problem with this.
> I'll echo what C.J. said:
> Not all of Palin's supporters are mindless or even stupid; some simply have
> legitimate policy issues in common, abortion, oil, etc. I don't support her
> personally but to assume all her supporters are sheep might be unwise and
> unfair.
> My mom is a Palin supporter.  She disagrees with Palin's religion and stance
> on abortion, but she agrees with Palin's political views and policies.  My
> mom believes that Palin can keep her religious beliefs out of politics.  I'm
> not so sure, but I guess it's possible.  To be fair, I don't think Sarah
> Palin has specifically threatened to overturn Roe vs. Wade, or rewrite the
> Constitution.
> ~Abby
> http://abbygoldsm...­
> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Joy
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:25 AM
> To: [address removed]
> Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of
> the Union
> Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that Great Middle Mass of Americans are such
> stupid sheep. Whoever is in power -- no matter how they got into power --
> those sheep will mindlessly emulate, to one degree or another. An idea the
> Top Person has that even used to be distasteful will be, again mindlessly,
> revisited, and somehow it doesn't seem distasteful anymore.��
> And since such a large % of Americans are already more religious than people
> in the rest of the civilized world, it's not a far trek for them to accept
> things like Sarah Palin's pastor doing that laying-on-of-hands or even his
> past activities like running a woman out of town as a "witch" responsible
> for traffic accidents.
> Only good thing about that is that if we finally get an intelligent,
> reasonable person in the White House, then suddenly intelligence and reason
> will be back in favor...
> Joy
> On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Norm wrote:
> Many don't seem to be able to see a definite connection between the two. We
> have had a Christian Fundamentalist President going on eight years.
> Creationism/Intellig­ent Design has flourished, threatening our children's
> education. More money has been funneled to Christian groups via the
> Faith-base Initiative. Basic Constitutional rights have been threatened. The
> involvement of religion in politics has increased. An atheist, a national
> hero, was killed in Iraq by suspicious friendly fire. The list goes on and
> on.
> Now, let's look at some of the other issues that don't seem to be related to
> Christian Fundamentalism, like the economy. What it all comes down to is
> mindsets. Most Christian Fundamentalists are out of touch with reality. When
> a crisis presents itself, their reactions frequently are the reactions of
> someone who doesn't have the proper education/knowledge/­incentive to handle
> a crisis. A good example might be the New Orleans fiasco. Many of the
> appointees of the Current Administration were graduates of religious
> universities, like Liberty. Also, one should not forget the Armageddon
> mindset. If one really believes that some deity is going to save the
> faithful while destroying everything else, their perception of problem and
> the solution is very likely to be tainted with fantasy. Being in a position
> of power certainly enables these fanatics to bring the world to the brink of
> disaster.
> Many events that have occurred over the last eight years are suspect to
> manipulation such as the changing of the bankruptcy laws, allowing unsecured
> loans afterwards, outsourcing American jobs, Bush's relationship to the
> Enron Fiasco, close ties to the Bin Laden family, the relationship of oil in
> the 911 attack, the suspected knowledge of the 911 plot by the current
> Administration, and the availability of the knowledge of the attackers
> before 911.
> The point is that whether or not you think that all these occurrences are
> all related, some are and others are suspect. Additionally, this is the
> first time that a Religious Fundamentalist has taken over the White House
> and here we are now in this state. Some may argue that Former President
> Reagan was a fundamentalist. Maybe to some degree, but not to the same
> degree as the current Administration. I think that former President Reagan
> was playing the John Wayne fantasy rather then the fantasy of the End
> Gamers.
> Can you help stop this slide into the fantasyland of the End Gamers? Send me
> a private email if you need to know how.
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