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Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union

From: user 7.
Sent on: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:29 PM
crissyians are evil, watch each others backs and do anything in their power to
justify and validate their ignorant hipocracy- imagine yourself a defendant in
court, swearing in, or affirming,(oh-ooo) before a jury of your 'peers'- say
wha?

Quoting Joy <[address removed]>:

> Please tell me that a requirement to sign a statement of faith to
> keep a job is illegal in the USA!!
>
> On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Cameron wrote:
>
>> I've been fired as well. At one job my employer said my employment  
>> with the company was contingent upon my signing a form stating  
>> that, ""I believed in a higher power". I reluctantly signed it  
>> because I needed the job. I was later let go after acknowledging my  
>> atheism. They claimed it was for other bogus reasons, but I know  
>> better. 
>>
>> Cameron
>> [address removed]
>>
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:04 PM, jim copeland  
>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>
>>> Bush senior said something to the effect that atheists weren't  
>>> real Americans
>>> and shouldn't be allowed to vote. 
>>> Quoting Ashley <[address removed]>:
>>>
>>>> "You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a Christian, and
>>>> free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't  
>>>> impinge upon the
>>>> safety of others, I don't have a problem with this. "
>>>>
>>>> I've been fired for being an atheist before. Isn't there a poll  that says
>>>> atheists are the most hated people in the US? Moreso than  pedophiles?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Abby" <[address removed]>
>>>> To: <[address removed]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:58 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  State of
>>>> the Union
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not convinced that Americans are "more religious than the  rest of the
>>>> civilized world."  Yes, we've got the Bible Belt, but European  countries
>>>> have their own enclaves of religious fundamentalism.  And let's  
>>>> not forget
>>>> the Middle East.  I'd say that Turkey is a more religious country  than
>>>> America. 
>>>> American fundamentalists are just very outspoken.  They have a  
>>>> lot of room
>>>> and freedom in this country to congregate. 
>>>> But that's part of what makes America a nice place to live.   Freedom of
>>>> religion.  You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a  
>>>> Christian, and
>>>> free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't  
>>>> impinge upon the
>>>> safety of others, I don't have a problem with this. 
>>>> I'll echo what C.J. said:
>>>> Not all of Palin's supporters are mindless or even stupid; some  
>>>> simply have
>>>> legitimate policy issues in common, abortion, oil, etc. I don't  
>>>> support her
>>>> personally but to assume all her supporters are sheep might be  unwise and
>>>> unfair. 
>>>> My mom is a Palin supporter.  She disagrees with Palin's religion  
>>>> and stance
>>>> on abortion, but she agrees with Palin's political views and  
>>>> policies.  My
>>>> mom believes that Palin can keep her religious beliefs out of  
>>>> politics.  I'm
>>>> not so sure, but I guess it's possible.  To be fair, I don't  think Sarah
>>>> Palin has specifically threatened to overturn Roe vs. Wade, or  
>>>> rewrite the
>>>> Constitution. 
>>>> ~Abby
>>>> http://abbygoldsm...­
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On  
>>>> Behalf Of Joy
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:25 AM
>>>> To: [address removed]
>>>> Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  State of
>>>> the Union
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that Great Middle Mass of  
>>>> Americans are such
>>>> stupid sheep. Whoever is in power -- no matter how they got into  power --
>>>> those sheep will mindlessly emulate, to one degree or another. An  
>>>> idea the
>>>> Top Person has that even used to be distasteful will be, again  
>>>> mindlessly,
>>>> revisited, and somehow it doesn't seem distasteful anymore. 
>>>> And since such a large % of Americans are already more religious  
>>>> than people
>>>> in the rest of the civilized world, it's not a far trek for them  
>>>> to accept
>>>> things like Sarah Palin's pastor doing that laying-on-of-hands or  
>>>> even his
>>>> past activities like running a woman out of town as a "witch"  responsible
>>>> for traffic accidents. 
>>>> Only good thing about that is that if we finally get an intelligent,
>>>> reasonable person in the White House, then suddenly intelligence  
>>>> and reason
>>>> will be back in favor... 
>>>> Joy
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Norm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many don't seem to be able to see a definite connection between  
>>>> the two. We
>>>> have had a Christian Fundamentalist President going on eight  
>>>> years. Creationism/Intellig­ent Design has flourished, threatening  
>>>> our children's
>>>> education. More money has been funneled to Christian groups via the
>>>> Faith-base Initiative. Basic Constitutional rights have been  
>>>> threatened. The
>>>> involvement of religion in politics has increased. An atheist, a  national
>>>> hero, was killed in Iraq by suspicious friendly fire. The list  
>>>> goes on and
>>>> on. Now, let's look at some of the other issues that don't seem  
>>>> to be related to
>>>> Christian Fundamentalism, like the economy. What it all comes  down to is
>>>> mindsets. Most Christian Fundamentalists are out of touch with  
>>>> reality. When
>>>> a crisis presents itself, their reactions frequently are the  reactions of
>>>> someone who doesn't have the proper education/knowledge/­incentive  
>>>> to handle
>>>> a crisis. A good example might be the New Orleans fiasco. Many of  the
>>>> appointees of the Current Administration were graduates of religious
>>>> universities, like Liberty. Also, one should not forget the  Armageddon
>>>> mindset. If one really believes that some deity is going to save the
>>>> faithful while destroying everything else, their perception of  
>>>> problem and
>>>> the solution is very likely to be tainted with fantasy. Being in  
>>>> a position
>>>> of power certainly enables these fanatics to bring the world to  
>>>> the brink of
>>>> disaster. Many events that have occurred over the last eight  
>>>> years are suspect to
>>>> manipulation such as the changing of the bankruptcy laws,  
>>>> allowing unsecured
>>>> loans afterwards, outsourcing American jobs, Bush's relationship  to the
>>>> Enron Fiasco, close ties to the Bin Laden family, the  
>>>> relationship of oil in
>>>> the 911 attack, the suspected knowledge of the 911 plot by the  current
>>>> Administration, and the availability of the knowledge of the  attackers
>>>> before 911. The point is that whether or not you think that all  
>>>> these occurrences are
>>>> all related, some are and others are suspect. Additionally, this  is the
>>>> first time that a Religious Fundamentalist has taken over the  White House
>>>> and here we are now in this state. Some may argue that Former  President
>>>> Reagan was a fundamentalist. Maybe to some degree, but not to the  same
>>>> degree as the current Administration. I think that former  
>>>> President Reagan
>>>> was playing the John Wayne fantasy rather then the fantasy of the  End
>>>> Gamers. Can you help stop this slide into the fantasyland of the  
>>>> End Gamers? Send me
>>>> a private email if you need to know how. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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