Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union

From: Ash
Sent on: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:34 PM
If you refuse to swear on the bible and there's a jury, you can pretty much 
kiss your ass goodbye.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jim copeland" <[address removed]>
To: <[address removed]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:30 PM
Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of 
the Union


> crissyians are evil, watch each others backs and do anything in their 
> power to
> justify and validate their ignorant hipocracy- imagine yourself a 
> defendant in
> court, swearing in, or affirming,(oh-ooo) before a jury of your 'peers'- 
> say
> wha?
>
> Quoting Joy <[address removed]>:
>
>> Please tell me that a requirement to sign a statement of faith to
>> keep a job is illegal in the USA!!
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Cameron wrote:
>>
>>> I've been fired as well. At one job my employer said my employment  with 
>>> the company was contingent upon my signing a form stating  that, ""I 
>>> believed in a higher power". I reluctantly signed it  because I needed 
>>> the job. I was later let go after acknowledging my  atheism. They 
>>> claimed it was for other bogus reasons, but I know  better.
>>> Cameron
>>> [address removed]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:04 PM, jim copeland 
>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bush senior said something to the effect that atheists weren't  real 
>>>> Americans
>>>> and shouldn't be allowed to vote. Quoting Ashley 
>>>> <[address removed]>:
>>>>
>>>>>­ "You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a Christian, and
>>>>>­ free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't  impinge 
>>>>>­ upon the
>>>>>­ safety of others, I don't have a problem with this. "
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ I've been fired for being an atheist before. Isn't there a poll  that 
>>>>>­ says
>>>>>­ atheists are the most hated people in the US? Moreso than  pedophiles?
>>>>>­ ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>­ From: "Abby" <[address removed]>
>>>>>­ To: <[address removed]>
>>>>>­ Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:58 PM
>>>>>­ Subject: RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current 
>>>>>­ State of
>>>>>­ the Union
>>>>>­
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ I'm not convinced that Americans are "more religious than the  rest of 
>>>>>­ the
>>>>>­ civilized world."  Yes, we've got the Bible Belt, but European 
>>>>>­ countries
>>>>>­ have their own enclaves of religious fundamentalism.  And let's  not 
>>>>>­ forget
>>>>>­ the Middle East.  I'd say that Turkey is a more religious country 
>>>>>­ than
>>>>>­ America. American fundamentalists are just very outspoken.  They have 
>>>>>­ a  lot of room
>>>>>­ and freedom in this country to congregate. But that's part of what 
>>>>>­ makes America a nice place to live.   Freedom of
>>>>>­ religion.  You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a 
>>>>>­ Christian, and
>>>>>­ free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't  impinge 
>>>>>­ upon the
>>>>>­ safety of others, I don't have a problem with this. I'll echo what 
>>>>>­ C.J. said:
>>>>>­ Not all of Palin's supporters are mindless or even stupid; some 
>>>>>­ simply have
>>>>>­ legitimate policy issues in common, abortion, oil, etc. I don't 
>>>>>­ support her
>>>>>­ personally but to assume all her supporters are sheep might be  unwise 
>>>>>­ and
>>>>>­ unfair. My mom is a Palin supporter.  She disagrees with Palin's 
>>>>>­ religion  and stance
>>>>>­ on abortion, but she agrees with Palin's political views and 
>>>>>­ policies.  My
>>>>>­ mom believes that Palin can keep her religious beliefs out of 
>>>>>­ politics.  I'm
>>>>>­ not so sure, but I guess it's possible.  To be fair, I don't  think 
>>>>>­ Sarah
>>>>>­ Palin has specifically threatened to overturn Roe vs. Wade, or 
>>>>>­ rewrite the
>>>>>­ Constitution. ~Abby
>>>>>­ http://abbygoldsm...­
>>>>>­
>>>>>­
>>>>>­
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On  Behalf 
>>>>>­ Of Joy
>>>>>­ Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:25 AM
>>>>>­ To: [address removed]
>>>>>­ Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current 
>>>>>­ State of
>>>>>­ the Union
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that Great Middle Mass of  Americans 
>>>>>­ are such
>>>>>­ stupid sheep. Whoever is in power -- no matter how they got into 
>>>>>­ power --
>>>>>­ those sheep will mindlessly emulate, to one degree or another. An 
>>>>>­ idea the
>>>>>­ Top Person has that even used to be distasteful will be, again 
>>>>>­ mindlessly,
>>>>>­ revisited, and somehow it doesn't seem distasteful anymore. And since 
>>>>>­ such a large % of Americans are already more religious  than people
>>>>>­ in the rest of the civilized world, it's not a far trek for them  to 
>>>>>­ accept
>>>>>­ things like Sarah Palin's pastor doing that laying-on-of-hands or 
>>>>>­ even his
>>>>>­ past activities like running a woman out of town as a "witch" 
>>>>>­ responsible
>>>>>­ for traffic accidents. Only good thing about that is that if we 
>>>>>­ finally get an intelligent,
>>>>>­ reasonable person in the White House, then suddenly intelligence  and 
>>>>>­ reason
>>>>>­ will be back in favor... Joy
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Norm wrote:
>>>>>­
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ Many don't seem to be able to see a definite connection between  the 
>>>>>­ two. We
>>>>>­ have had a Christian Fundamentalist President going on eight  years. 
>>>>>­ Creationism/Intellig­ent Design has flourished, threatening  our 
>>>>>­ children's
>>>>>­ education. More money has been funneled to Christian groups via the
>>>>>­ Faith-base Initiative. Basic Constitutional rights have been 
>>>>>­ threatened. The
>>>>>­ involvement of religion in politics has increased. An atheist, a 
>>>>>­ national
>>>>>­ hero, was killed in Iraq by suspicious friendly fire. The list  goes 
>>>>>­ on and
>>>>>­ on. Now, let's look at some of the other issues that don't seem  to be 
>>>>>­ related to
>>>>>­ Christian Fundamentalism, like the economy. What it all comes  down to 
>>>>>­ is
>>>>>­ mindsets. Most Christian Fundamentalists are out of touch with 
>>>>>­ reality. When
>>>>>­ a crisis presents itself, their reactions frequently are the 
>>>>>­ reactions of
>>>>>­ someone who doesn't have the proper education/knowledge/­incentive  to 
>>>>>­ handle
>>>>>­ a crisis. A good example might be the New Orleans fiasco. Many of  the
>>>>>­ appointees of the Current Administration were graduates of religious
>>>>>­ universities, like Liberty. Also, one should not forget the 
>>>>>­ Armageddon
>>>>>­ mindset. If one really believes that some deity is going to save the
>>>>>­ faithful while destroying everything else, their perception of 
>>>>>­ problem and
>>>>>­ the solution is very likely to be tainted with fantasy. Being in  a 
>>>>>­ position
>>>>>­ of power certainly enables these fanatics to bring the world to  the 
>>>>>­ brink of
>>>>>­ disaster. Many events that have occurred over the last eight  years 
>>>>>­ are suspect to
>>>>>­ manipulation such as the changing of the bankruptcy laws,  allowing 
>>>>>­ unsecured
>>>>>­ loans afterwards, outsourcing American jobs, Bush's relationship  to 
>>>>>­ the
>>>>>­ Enron Fiasco, close ties to the Bin Laden family, the  relationship of 
>>>>>­ oil in
>>>>>­ the 911 attack, the suspected knowledge of the 911 plot by the 
>>>>>­ current
>>>>>­ Administration, and the availability of the knowledge of the 
>>>>>­ attackers
>>>>>­ before 911. The point is that whether or not you think that all  these 
>>>>>­ occurrences are
>>>>>­ all related, some are and others are suspect. Additionally, this  is 
>>>>>­ the
>>>>>­ first time that a Religious Fundamentalist has taken over the  White 
>>>>>­ House
>>>>>­ and here we are now in this state. Some may argue that Former 
>>>>>­ President
>>>>>­ Reagan was a fundamentalist. Maybe to some degree, but not to the 
>>>>>­ same
>>>>>­ degree as the current Administration. I think that former  President 
>>>>>­ Reagan
>>>>>­ was playing the John Wayne fantasy rather then the fantasy of the  End
>>>>>­ Gamers. Can you help stop this slide into the fantasyland of the  End 
>>>>>­ Gamers? Send me
>>>>>­ a private email if you need to know how.
>>>>>­
>>>>>­
>>>>>­
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