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RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union

From: user 5.
Sent on: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:05 AM

WOW!  I'm out of here.


From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of bugpowder
Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:45 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union


As brought to my attention by Richard Dawkins...

"Humbly invoking the blessings of Almighty God, the people of the State of Texas, do ordain and establish this Constitution."

The Texas Constitution       

Article 1 - Bill of Rights
       Equality under the law shall not be denied or abridged because of sex, race, color, creed, or national origin. This amendment is self-operative. (Added Nov. 7, 1972.)

    Section 4 - RELIGIOUS TESTS
       No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.  [emphasis added]

Note that the reference to "sex" does not inherently protect under the law those of just any "sexual orientation", as "creed" may not prove sufficient to protect those without one.


Joy wrote:

Please tell me that a requirement to sign a statement of faith to keep a job is illegal in the USA!!

On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Cameron wrote:

I've been fired as well. At one job my employer said my employment with the company was contingent upon my signing a form stating that, ""I believed in a higher power". I reluctantly signed it because I needed the job. I was later let go after acknowledging my atheism. They claimed it was for other bogus reasons, but I know better.

[address removed]

On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:04 PM, jim copeland <[address removed]> wrote:

Bush senior said something to the effect that atheists weren't real Americans
and shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Quoting Ashley <[address removed]>:

"You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a Christian, and
free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't impinge upon the
safety of others, I don't have a problem with this. "

I've been fired for being an atheist before. Isn't there a poll that says
atheists are the most hated people in the US? Moreso than pedophiles?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby" <[address removed]>
To: <[address removed]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:58 PM
Subject: RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of
the Union

I'm not convinced that Americans are "more religious than the rest of the
civilized world."  Yes, we've got the Bible Belt, but European countries
have their own enclaves of religious fundamentalism.  And let's not forget
the Middle East.  I'd say that Turkey is a more religious country than
American fundamentalists are just very outspoken.  They have a lot of room
and freedom in this country to congregate.
But that's part of what makes America a nice place to live.  Freedom of
religion.  You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a Christian, and
free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't impinge upon the
safety of others, I don't have a problem with this.
I'll echo what C.J. said:
Not all of Palin's supporters are mindless or even stupid; some simply have
legitimate policy issues in common, abortion, oil, etc. I don't support her
personally but to assume all her supporters are sheep might be unwise and
My mom is a Palin supporter.  She disagrees with Palin's religion and stance
on abortion, but she agrees with Palin's political views and policies.  My
mom believes that Palin can keep her religious beliefs out of politics.  I'm
not so sure, but I guess it's possible.  To be fair, I don't think Sarah
Palin has specifically threatened to overturn Roe vs. Wade, or rewrite the

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Joy
Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:25 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of
the Union

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that Great Middle Mass of Americans are such
stupid sheep. Whoever is in power -- no matter how they got into power --
those sheep will mindlessly emulate, to one degree or another. An idea the
Top Person has that even used to be distasteful will be, again mindlessly,
revisited, and somehow it doesn't seem distasteful anymore.
And since such a large % of Americans are already more religious than people
in the rest of the civilized world, it's not a far trek for them to accept
things like Sarah Palin's pastor doing that laying-on-of-hands or even his
past activities like running a woman out of town as a "witch" responsible
for traffic accidents.
Only good thing about that is that if we finally get an intelligent,
reasonable person in the White House, then suddenly intelligence and reason
will be back in favor...

On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Norm wrote:

Many don't seem to be able to see a definite connection between the two. We
have had a Christian Fundamentalist President going on eight years. Creationism/Intelligent Design has flourished, threatening our children's
education. More money has been funneled to Christian groups via the
Faith-base Initiative. Basic Constitutional rights have been threatened. The
involvement of religion in politics has increased. An atheist, a national
hero, was killed in Iraq by suspicious friendly fire. The list goes on and
on. Now, let's look at some of the other issues that don't seem to be related to
Christian Fundamentalism, like the economy. What it all comes down to is
mindsets. Most Christian Fundamentalists are out of touch with reality. When
a crisis presents itself, their reactions frequently are the reactions of
someone who doesn't have the proper education/knowledge/incentive to handle
a crisis. A good example might be the New Orleans fiasco. Many of the
appointees of the Current Administration were graduates of religious
universities, like Liberty. Also, one should not forget the Armageddon
mindset. If one really believes that some deity is going to save the
faithful while destroying everything else, their perception of problem and
the solution is very likely to be tainted with fantasy. Being in a position
of power certainly enables these fanatics to bring the world to the brink of
disaster. Many events that have occurred over the last eight years are suspect to
manipulation such as the changing of the bankruptcy laws, allowing unsecured
loans afterwards, outsourcing American jobs, Bush's relationship to the
Enron Fiasco, close ties to the Bin Laden family, the relationship of oil in
the 911 attack, the suspected knowledge of the 911 plot by the current
Administration, and the availability of the knowledge of the attackers
before 911. The point is that whether or not you think that all these occurrences are
all related, some are and others are suspect. Additionally, this is the
first time that a Religious Fundamentalist has taken over the White House
and here we are now in this state. Some may argue that Former President
Reagan was a fundamentalist. Maybe to some degree, but not to the same
degree as the current Administration. I think that former President Reagan
was playing the John Wayne fantasy rather then the fantasy of the End
Gamers. Can you help stop this slide into the fantasyland of the End Gamers? Send me
a private email if you need to know how.


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