Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union

From: Cameron
Sent on: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:13 AM
Ive been in the medical field for many years and have worked many  
hospitals all over Texas. Each one had some sort of Christian/catholic  
designation usually within the name of the facility. Take Austin for  
example. Most of the hospitals here are owned by Seton or St.  
David's,  both of which are affiliated with catholisism.  If their  
were an Atheist Hospital of Austin I'd apply today.  Even Medical City  
of Dallas, which claims no affiliation with any religion, has been  
informally adopted by the Jewish community.  I'd also add it's the  
only hospital I've worked at in Texas that I'd be comfortable checking  
myself into.

Cameron
[address removed]


On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:36 AM, Abby <[address removed]> wrote:

> Aren't state constitutions superseded by the Federal Constitution?
>
> I learned something new here.  Apparently, state-funded hospitals  
> that are
> run by churches CAN discriminate against employees based on their  
> faith.
> Wow.  This is a result of Bush's Faith-Based Initiative.
>
> http://www.clarks...­
> pplies-to-the-spendi­ng-of-our-tax-dollar­s/
>
> http://www.kipesq...­
>
> I thought that religion-run hospitals were private, not funded by tax
> dollars.  I suppose that a private Methodist or Catholic hospital  
> could
> choose to only hire Methodists or Catholics, since they are a private
> organization and there are public hospital alternatives.  But if it's
> federally funded, and there is no public hospital alternative,  
> that's a
> different matter.
>
> ~Abby
>
>
>
> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf  
> Of
> Douglas Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15,[masked]:05 AM
> To: [address removed]
> Subject: RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  
> State of
> the Union
>
> WOW!  I'm out of here.
>
> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf  
> Of
> bugpowder
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:45 PM
> To: [address removed]
> Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  
> State of
> the Union
>
> As brought to my attention by Richard Dawkins...
>
> "Humbly invoking the blessings of Almighty God, the people of the  
> State of
> Texas, do ordain and establish this Constitution."
>
> The Texas Constitution
>             http://tlo2.tlc.s...­
>
> Article 1 - Bill of Rights
>     Section 3a - EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW
>        Equality under the law shall not be denied or abridged  
> because of
> sex, race, color, creed, or national origin. This amendment is
> self-operative. (Added Nov. 7, 1972.)
>
>     Section 4 - RELIGIOUS TESTS
>        No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification  
> to any
> office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be  
> excluded from
> holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he
> acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.  [emphasis added]
>
>
> Note that the reference to "sex" does not inherently protect under  
> the law
> those of just any "sexual orientation", as "creed" may not prove  
> sufficient
> to protect those without one.
>
> -bug
>
>
> Joy wrote:
> Please tell me that a requirement to sign a statement of faith to  
> keep a job
> is illegal in the USA!!
>
> On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Cameron wrote:
>
>
>
> I've been fired as well. At one job my employer said my employment  
> with the
> company was contingent upon my signing a form stating that, ""I  
> believed in
> a higher power". I reluctantly signed it because I needed the job. I  
> was
> later let go after acknowledging my atheism. They claimed it was for  
> other
> bogus reasons, but I know better.
>
> Cameron
> [address removed]
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:04 PM, jim copeland <[address removed] 
> >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Bush senior said something to the effect that atheists weren't real
> Americans
> and shouldn't be allowed to vote.
> Quoting Ashley <[address removed]>:
>
>
>
> "You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a Christian, and
> free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't impinge  
> upon the
>
> safety of others, I don't have a problem with this. "
>
> I've been fired for being an atheist before. Isn't there a poll that  
> says
> atheists are the most hated people in the US? Moreso than pedophiles?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Abby" <[address removed]>
> To: <[address removed]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  
> State of
> the Union
>
>
> I'm not convinced that Americans are "more religious than the rest  
> of the
> civilized world."  Yes, we've got the Bible Belt, but European  
> countries
> have their own enclaves of religious fundamentalism.  And let's not  
> forget
> the Middle East.  I'd say that Turkey is a more religious country than
> America.
> American fundamentalists are just very outspoken.  They have a lot  
> of room
> and freedom in this country to congregate.
> But that's part of what makes America a nice place to live.  Freedom  
> of
> religion.  You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a  
> Christian, and
> free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't impinge  
> upon the
>
> safety of others, I don't have a problem with this.
> I'll echo what C.J. said:
> Not all of Palin's supporters are mindless or even stupid; some  
> simply have
> legitimate policy issues in common, abortion, oil, etc. I don't  
> support her
> personally but to assume all her supporters are sheep might be  
> unwise and
> unfair.
> My mom is a Palin supporter.  She disagrees with Palin's religion  
> and stance
>
> on abortion, but she agrees with Palin's political views and  
> policies.  My
> mom believes that Palin can keep her religious beliefs out of  
> politics.  I'm
>
> not so sure, but I guess it's possible.  To be fair, I don't think  
> Sarah
> Palin has specifically threatened to overturn Roe vs. Wade, or  
> rewrite the
> Constitution.
> ~Abby
> http://abbygoldsm...­
>
>
>
>
> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf  
> Of Joy
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:25 AM
> To: [address removed]
> Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  
> State of
> the Union
>
> Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that Great Middle Mass of Americans  
> are such
>
> stupid sheep. Whoever is in power -- no matter how they got into  
> power --
> those sheep will mindlessly emulate, to one degree or another. An  
> idea the
> Top Person has that even used to be distasteful will be, again  
> mindlessly,
> revisited, and somehow it doesn't seem distasteful anymore.
> And since such a large % of Americans are already more religious  
> than people
>
> in the rest of the civilized world, it's not a far trek for them to  
> accept
> things like Sarah Palin's pastor doing that laying-on-of-hands or  
> even his
> past activities like running a woman out of town as a "witch"  
> responsible
> for traffic accidents.
> Only good thing about that is that if we finally get an intelligent,
> reasonable person in the White House, then suddenly intelligence and  
> reason
> will be back in favor...
> Joy
>
> On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Norm wrote:
>
>
> Many don't seem to be able to see a definite connection between the  
> two. We
> have had a Christian Fundamentalist President going on eight years.
> Creationism/Intellig­ent Design has flourished, threatening our  
> children's
> education. More money has been funneled to Christian groups via the
> Faith-base Initiative. Basic Constitutional rights have been  
> threatened. The
>
> involvement of religion in politics has increased. An atheist, a  
> national
> hero, was killed in Iraq by suspicious friendly fire. The list goes  
> on and
> on. Now, let's look at some of the other issues that don't seem to be
> related to
> Christian Fundamentalism, like the economy. What it all comes down  
> to is
> mindsets. Most Christian Fundamentalists are out of touch with  
> reality. When
>
> a crisis presents itself, their reactions frequently are the  
> reactions of
> someone who doesn't have the proper education/knowledge/­incentive to  
> handle
> a crisis. A good example might be the New Orleans fiasco. Many of the
> appointees of the Current Administration were graduates of religious
> universities, like Liberty. Also, one should not forget the Armageddon
> mindset. If one really believes that some deity is going to save the
> faithful while destroying everything else, their perception of  
> problem and
> the solution is very likely to be tainted with fantasy. Being in a  
> position
> of power certainly enables these fanatics to bring the world to the  
> brink of
>
> disaster. Many events that have occurred over the last eight years are
> suspect to
> manipulation such as the changing of the bankruptcy laws, allowing  
> unsecured
>
> loans afterwards, outsourcing American jobs, Bush's relationship to  
> the
> Enron Fiasco, close ties to the Bin Laden family, the relationship  
> of oil in
>
> the 911 attack, the suspected knowledge of the 911 plot by the current
> Administration, and the availability of the knowledge of the attackers
> before 911. The point is that whether or not you think that all these
> occurrences are
> all related, some are and others are suspect. Additionally, this is  
> the
> first time that a Religious Fundamentalist has taken over the White  
> House
> and here we are now in this state. Some may argue that Former  
> President
> Reagan was a fundamentalist. Maybe to some degree, but not to the same
> degree as the current Administration. I think that former President  
> Reagan
> was playing the John Wayne fantasy rather then the fantasy of the End
> Gamers. Can you help stop this slide into the fantasyland of the End  
> Gamers?
> Send me
> a private email if you need to know how.
>
>
>
>
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