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Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union

From: Cameron
Sent on: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:15 AM
By the way hospitals that accept medicare/medicade are, albeit perhaps  
indirectly, funded by the state.

Cameron
(512)[masked]
[address removed]


On Oct 15, 2008, at 9:13 AM, Cameron  <[address removed]> wrote:

> Ive been in the medical field for many years and have worked many  
> hospitals all over Texas. Each one had some sort of Christian/ 
> catholic designation usually within the name of the facility. Take  
> Austin for example. Most of the hospitals here are owned by Seton or  
> St. David's,  both of which are affiliated with catholisism.  If  
> their were an Atheist Hospital of Austin I'd apply today.  Even  
> Medical City of Dallas, which claims no affiliation with any  
> religion, has been informally adopted by the Jewish community.  I'd  
> also add it's the only hospital I've worked at in Texas that I'd be  
> comfortable checking myself into.
>
> Cameron
> [address removed]
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:36 AM, Abby <[address removed]> wrote:
>
>> Aren't state constitutions superseded by the Federal Constitution?
>>
>> I learned something new here.  Apparently, state-funded hospitals  
>> that are
>> run by churches CAN discriminate against employees based on their  
>> faith.
>> Wow.  This is a result of Bush's Faith-Based Initiative.
>>
>> http://www.clarks...­
>> pplies-to-the-spendi­ng-of-our-tax-dollar­s/
>>
>> http://www.kipesq...­
>>
>> I thought that religion-run hospitals were private, not funded by tax
>> dollars.  I suppose that a private Methodist or Catholic hospital  
>> could
>> choose to only hire Methodists or Catholics, since they are a private
>> organization and there are public hospital alternatives.  But if it's
>> federally funded, and there is no public hospital alternative,  
>> that's a
>> different matter.
>>
>> ~Abby
>>
>>
>>
>> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On  
>> Behalf Of
>> Douglas Prince
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15,[masked]:05 AM
>> To: [address removed]
>> Subject: RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  
>> State of
>> the Union
>>
>> WOW!  I'm out of here.
>>
>> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On  
>> Behalf Of
>> bugpowder
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:45 PM
>> To: [address removed]
>> Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  
>> State of
>> the Union
>>
>> As brought to my attention by Richard Dawkins...
>>
>> "Humbly invoking the blessings of Almighty God, the people of the  
>> State of
>> Texas, do ordain and establish this Constitution."
>>
>> The Texas Constitution
>>            http://tlo2.tlc.s...­
>>
>> Article 1 - Bill of Rights
>>    Section 3a - EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW
>>       Equality under the law shall not be denied or abridged  
>> because of
>> sex, race, color, creed, or national origin. This amendment is
>> self-operative. (Added Nov. 7, 1972.)
>>
>>    Section 4 - RELIGIOUS TESTS
>>       No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification  
>> to any
>> office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be  
>> excluded from
>> holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he
>> acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.  [emphasis added]
>>
>>
>> Note that the reference to "sex" does not inherently protect under  
>> the law
>> those of just any "sexual orientation", as "creed" may not prove  
>> sufficient
>> to protect those without one.
>>
>> -bug
>>
>>
>> Joy wrote:
>> Please tell me that a requirement to sign a statement of faith to  
>> keep a job
>> is illegal in the USA!!
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Cameron wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been fired as well. At one job my employer said my employment  
>> with the
>> company was contingent upon my signing a form stating that, ""I  
>> believed in
>> a higher power". I reluctantly signed it because I needed the job.  
>> I was
>> later let go after acknowledging my atheism. They claimed it was  
>> for other
>> bogus reasons, but I know better.
>>
>> Cameron
>> [address removed]
>>
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:04 PM, jim copeland <[address removed] 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Bush senior said something to the effect that atheists weren't real
>> Americans
>> and shouldn't be allowed to vote.
>> Quoting Ashley <[address removed]>:
>>
>>
>>
>> "You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a Christian, and
>> free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't impinge  
>> upon the
>>
>> safety of others, I don't have a problem with this. "
>>
>> I've been fired for being an atheist before. Isn't there a poll  
>> that says
>> atheists are the most hated people in the US? Moreso than pedophiles?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Abby" <[address removed]>
>> To: <[address removed]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:58 PM
>> Subject: RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  
>> State of
>> the Union
>>
>>
>> I'm not convinced that Americans are "more religious than the rest  
>> of the
>> civilized world."  Yes, we've got the Bible Belt, but European  
>> countries
>> have their own enclaves of religious fundamentalism.  And let's not  
>> forget
>> the Middle East.  I'd say that Turkey is a more religious country  
>> than
>> America.
>> American fundamentalists are just very outspoken.  They have a lot  
>> of room
>> and freedom in this country to congregate.
>> But that's part of what makes America a nice place to live.   
>> Freedom of
>> religion.  You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a  
>> Christian, and
>> free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't impinge  
>> upon the
>>
>> safety of others, I don't have a problem with this.
>> I'll echo what C.J. said:
>> Not all of Palin's supporters are mindless or even stupid; some  
>> simply have
>> legitimate policy issues in common, abortion, oil, etc. I don't  
>> support her
>> personally but to assume all her supporters are sheep might be  
>> unwise and
>> unfair.
>> My mom is a Palin supporter.  She disagrees with Palin's religion  
>> and stance
>>
>> on abortion, but she agrees with Palin's political views and  
>> policies.  My
>> mom believes that Palin can keep her religious beliefs out of  
>> politics.  I'm
>>
>> not so sure, but I guess it's possible.  To be fair, I don't think  
>> Sarah
>> Palin has specifically threatened to overturn Roe vs. Wade, or  
>> rewrite the
>> Constitution.
>> ~Abby
>> http://abbygoldsm...­
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On  
>> Behalf Of Joy
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:25 AM
>> To: [address removed]
>> Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current  
>> State of
>> the Union
>>
>> Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that Great Middle Mass of Americans  
>> are such
>>
>> stupid sheep. Whoever is in power -- no matter how they got into  
>> power --
>> those sheep will mindlessly emulate, to one degree or another. An  
>> idea the
>> Top Person has that even used to be distasteful will be, again  
>> mindlessly,
>> revisited, and somehow it doesn't seem distasteful anymore.
>> And since such a large % of Americans are already more religious  
>> than people
>>
>> in the rest of the civilized world, it's not a far trek for them to  
>> accept
>> things like Sarah Palin's pastor doing that laying-on-of-hands or  
>> even his
>> past activities like running a woman out of town as a "witch"  
>> responsible
>> for traffic accidents.
>> Only good thing about that is that if we finally get an intelligent,
>> reasonable person in the White House, then suddenly intelligence  
>> and reason
>> will be back in favor...
>> Joy
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Norm wrote:
>>
>>
>> Many don't seem to be able to see a definite connection between the  
>> two. We
>> have had a Christian Fundamentalist President going on eight years.
>> Creationism/Intellig­ent Design has flourished, threatening our  
>> children's
>> education. More money has been funneled to Christian groups via the
>> Faith-base Initiative. Basic Constitutional rights have been  
>> threatened. The
>>
>> involvement of religion in politics has increased. An atheist, a  
>> national
>> hero, was killed in Iraq by suspicious friendly fire. The list goes  
>> on and
>> on. Now, let's look at some of the other issues that don't seem to be
>> related to
>> Christian Fundamentalism, like the economy. What it all comes down  
>> to is
>> mindsets. Most Christian Fundamentalists are out of touch with  
>> reality. When
>>
>> a crisis presents itself, their reactions frequently are the  
>> reactions of
>> someone who doesn't have the proper education/knowledge/­incentive  
>> to handle
>> a crisis. A good example might be the New Orleans fiasco. Many of the
>> appointees of the Current Administration were graduates of religious
>> universities, like Liberty. Also, one should not forget the  
>> Armageddon
>> mindset. If one really believes that some deity is going to save the
>> faithful while destroying everything else, their perception of  
>> problem and
>> the solution is very likely to be tainted with fantasy. Being in a  
>> position
>> of power certainly enables these fanatics to bring the world to the  
>> brink of
>>
>> disaster. Many events that have occurred over the last eight years  
>> are
>> suspect to
>> manipulation such as the changing of the bankruptcy laws, allowing  
>> unsecured
>>
>> loans afterwards, outsourcing American jobs, Bush's relationship to  
>> the
>> Enron Fiasco, close ties to the Bin Laden family, the relationship  
>> of oil in
>>
>> the 911 attack, the suspected knowledge of the 911 plot by the  
>> current
>> Administration, and the availability of the knowledge of the  
>> attackers
>> before 911. The point is that whether or not you think that all these
>> occurrences are
>> all related, some are and others are suspect. Additionally, this is  
>> the
>> first time that a Religious Fundamentalist has taken over the White  
>> House
>> and here we are now in this state. Some may argue that Former  
>> President
>> Reagan was a fundamentalist. Maybe to some degree, but not to the  
>> same
>> degree as the current Administration. I think that former President  
>> Reagan
>> was playing the John Wayne fantasy rather then the fantasy of the End
>> Gamers. Can you help stop this slide into the fantasyland of the  
>> End Gamers?
>> Send me
>> a private email if you need to know how.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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