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RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union

From: Marsha C.
Sent on: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:02 PM
In Austin, the taxpayer supported hospital, Brackenridge, is run by 
the Seton Hospital Network, a religious hospital group.  Boy, I'm 
sure happy I don't have to pay taxes to support that mess.

I just had an accident and had to be in Brack for five days.  The 
chaplain came to see me the first day.  I said, "I'm an atheist and 
won't be needing your services."  That was the last I saw of her.  I 
haven't received the bill yet.  No telling how much they added on 
because of that!!!

M.


>Aren't state constitutions superseded by the Federal Constitution?
>
>I learned something new here.  Apparently, state-funded hospitals that are
>run by churches CAN discriminate against employees based on their faith.
>Wow.  This is a result of Bush's Faith-Based Initiative.
>
>http://www.clarks...­
>pplies-to-the-sp­ending-of-our-tax-do­llars/
>
>http://www.kipesq...­
>
>I thought that religion-run hospitals were private, not funded by tax
>dollars.  I suppose that a private Methodist or Catholic hospital could
>choose to only hire Methodists or Catholics, since they are a private
>organization and there are public hospital alternatives.  But if it's
>federally funded, and there is no public hospital alternative, that's a
>different matter. 
>
>~Abby
>
>
>
>From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of
>Douglas Prince
>Sent: Wednesday, October 15,[masked]:05 AM
>To: [address removed]
>Subject: RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of
>the Union
>
>WOW!  I'm out of here.
>
>From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of
>bugpowder
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:45 PM
>To: [address removed]
>Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of
>the Union
>
>As brought to my attention by Richard Dawkins...
>
>"Humbly invoking the blessings of Almighty God, the people of the State of
>Texas, do ordain and establish this Constitution."
>
>The Texas Constitution       
>             http://tlo2.tlc.s...­
>
>Article 1 - Bill of Rights
>     Section 3a - EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW
>        Equality under the law shall not be denied or abridged because of
>sex, race, color, creed, or national origin. This amendment is
>self-operative. (Added Nov. 7, 1972.)
>
>     Section 4 - RELIGIOUS TESTS
>        No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any
>office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from
>holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he
>acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.  [emphasis added]
>
>
>Note that the reference to "sex" does not inherently protect under the law
>those of just any "sexual orientation", as "creed" may not prove sufficient
>to protect those without one.
>
>-bug
>
>
>Joy wrote:
>Please tell me that a requirement to sign a statement of faith to keep a job
>is illegal in the USA!!
>
>On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Cameron wrote:
>
>
>
>I've been fired as well. At one job my employer said my employment with the
>company was contingent upon my signing a form stating that, ""I believed in
>a higher power". I reluctantly signed it because I needed the job. I was
>later let go after acknowledging my atheism. They claimed it was for other
>bogus reasons, but I know better.
>
>Cameron
>[address removed]
>
>
>On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:04 PM, jim copeland <[address removed]>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>Bush senior said something to the effect that atheists weren't real
>Americans
>and shouldn't be allowed to vote.
>Quoting Ashley <[address removed]>:
>
>
>
>"You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a Christian, and
>free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't impinge upon the
>
>safety of others, I don't have a problem with this. "
>
>I've been fired for being an atheist before. Isn't there a poll that says
>atheists are the most hated people in the US? Moreso than pedophiles?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Abby" <[address removed]>
>To: <[address removed]>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:58 PM
>Subject: RE: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of
>the Union
>
>
>I'm not convinced that Americans are "more religious than the rest of the
>civilized world."  Yes, we've got the Bible Belt, but European countries
>have their own enclaves of religious fundamentalism.  And let's not forget
>the Middle East.  I'd say that Turkey is a more religious country than
>America.
>American fundamentalists are just very outspoken.  They have a lot of room
>and freedom in this country to congregate.
>But that's part of what makes America a nice place to live.  Freedom of
>religion.  You are free to be an agnostic, and free to be a Christian, and
>free to be a Scientologist.  As long as these beliefs don't impinge upon the
>
>safety of others, I don't have a problem with this.
>I'll echo what C.J. said:
>Not all of Palin's supporters are mindless or even stupid; some simply have
>legitimate policy issues in common, abortion, oil, etc. I don't support her
>personally but to assume all her supporters are sheep might be unwise and
>unfair.
>My mom is a Palin supporter.  She disagrees with Palin's religion and stance
>
>on abortion, but she agrees with Palin's political views and policies.  My
>mom believes that Palin can keep her religious beliefs out of politics.  I'm
>
>not so sure, but I guess it's possible.  To be fair, I don't think Sarah
>Palin has specifically threatened to overturn Roe vs. Wade, or rewrite the
>Constitution.
>~Abby
>http://abbygoldsm...­
>
>
>
>
>From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Joy
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14,[masked]:25 AM
>To: [address removed]
>Subject: Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of
>the Union
>
>Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that Great Middle Mass of Americans are such
>
>stupid sheep. Whoever is in power -- no matter how they got into power --
>those sheep will mindlessly emulate, to one degree or another. An idea the
>Top Person has that even used to be distasteful will be, again mindlessly,
>revisited, and somehow it doesn't seem distasteful anymore.
>And since such a large % of Americans are already more religious than people
>
>in the rest of the civilized world, it's not a far trek for them to accept
>things like Sarah Palin's pastor doing that laying-on-of-hands or even his
>past activities like running a woman out of town as a "witch" responsible
>for traffic accidents.
>Only good thing about that is that if we finally get an intelligent,
>reasonable person in the White House, then suddenly intelligence and reason
>will be back in favor...
>Joy
>
>On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Norm wrote:
>
>
>Many don't seem to be able to see a definite connection between the two. We
>have had a Christian Fundamentalist President going on eight years.
>Creationism/Inte­lligent Design has flourished, threatening our children's
>education. More money has been funneled to Christian groups via the
>Faith-base Initiative. Basic Constitutional rights have been threatened. The
>
>involvement of religion in politics has increased. An atheist, a national
>hero, was killed in Iraq by suspicious friendly fire. The list goes on and
>on. Now, let's look at some of the other issues that don't seem to be
>related to
>Christian Fundamentalism, like the economy. What it all comes down to is
>mindsets. Most Christian Fundamentalists are out of touch with reality. When
>
>a crisis presents itself, their reactions frequently are the reactions of
>someone who doesn't have the proper education/knowledge/­incentive to handle
>a crisis. A good example might be the New Orleans fiasco. Many of the
>appointees of the Current Administration were graduates of religious
>universities, like Liberty. Also, one should not forget the Armageddon
>mindset. If one really believes that some deity is going to save the
>faithful while destroying everything else, their perception of problem and
>the solution is very likely to be tainted with fantasy. Being in a position
>of power certainly enables these fanatics to bring the world to the brink of
>
>disaster. Many events that have occurred over the last eight years are
>suspect to
>manipulation such as the changing of the bankruptcy laws, allowing unsecured
>
>loans afterwards, outsourcing American jobs, Bush's relationship to the
>Enron Fiasco, close ties to the Bin Laden family, the relationship of oil in
>
>the 911 attack, the suspected knowledge of the 911 plot by the current
>Administration, and the availability of the knowledge of the attackers
>before 911. The point is that whether or not you think that all these
>occurrences are
>all related, some are and others are suspect. Additionally, this is the
>first time that a Religious Fundamentalist has taken over the White House
>and here we are now in this state. Some may argue that Former President
>Reagan was a fundamentalist. Maybe to some degree, but not to the same
>degree as the current Administration. I think that former President Reagan
>was playing the John Wayne fantasy rather then the fantasy of the End
>Gamers. Can you help stop this slide into the fantasyland of the End Gamers?
>Send me
>a private email if you need to know how.
>
>
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