Re: [atheists-8] religion and pre-history

From: Cameron
Sent on: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:07 PM
Maybe he was an alien in a spaceship.

Cameron
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On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Joy <[address removed]> wrote:

> I like to look at everything, see what makes logical sense, think  
> about how human nature figures into it all, other people's opinions,  
> stories handed down that may or may not be factual... See what kind  
> of Big Picture I can come up with, and then constantly adapt it.
>
> Some of those stories in the bible seem just too simple and specific  
> to be pulled out of thin air (every story starts with SOMETHING). I  
> read _Chariots of the Gods_ by Erik von Daniken a long time ago, and  
> the main thing I remember from it is the passage in Job (I looked it  
> up in the King James version) about Jehovah coming in a silver bird  
> that landed on wheels and spit fire. It all fits together handily --  
> the scraggly tribe whose technology was limited to the materials  
> found in their immediate environment, an ego-maniacal person from  
> some other time/place who had no scruples about exploiting these  
> people's fear and amazement, the relatively short time that Jehovah  
> was there with them and thereafter he sent "angels" to do his  
> business... Looks like the silver-bird folks had set up a whole  
> enterprise there, and when they eventually got tired of the game,  
> the power-mad humans took over, perpetuating the story, coming up  
> with "reasons" for why Jehovah wouldn't bother to show his face any  
> more, etc.
>
> Other stories in the bible are just ridiculously fantastic in any  
> sense of reality, like the plagues on the Egyptians. But those  
> stories would sure serve as "proof" of God's power, to gullible  
> people who bought into the whole idea put forth to them by the  
> religious authorities. People have always exaggerated, over and  
> over, stories that started out with some basis in fact -- or that  
> were completely made-up, but still got exaggerated.
>
> And I'm sure we all know the Christians' propensity for taking  
> traditions from other religions, worming their way into the culture.
>
> Joy
>
> On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Abby wrote:
>
>> Hi Joy,
>>
>> Just out of curiosity (and to start a thread on a fresh topic),  
>> what ancient
>> experience do you think led to the Jehovah character?
>>
>> I remember reading something about how ancient Egyptians never  
>> mention
>> anything in their record-keeping about slaves or plagues.  But  
>> there was a
>> group of nomads-turned-mercer­naries called the "Habiru."  I like  
>> the theory
>> that this diverse group of people stood up to the Egyptian  
>> theocracy, and
>> the tale of their revolt grew out of proportion and became the tale  
>> of the
>> Hebrews leaving Egypt.
>>
>> http://en.wikiped...­
>>
>> There are also a lot of parallels between the myth of Jesus and the  
>> myth of
>> Horus.  Both begotten by a virgin, both the sole son of God/Osiris,  
>> both
>> shepherds, both persecuted, both walked on water, resisted  
>> temptation,
>> restored sight to the blind, and raised a dead man from the grave.   
>> Both
>> crucified and resurrected.
>>
>> http://www.religi...­
>>
>> ~Abby
>>
>>
>> From: Joy
>> All atheists think that there is no "higher power". I fall under  
>> this broad
>> category of "atheist". If you look closer, one difference between  
>> me and
>> some other atheists is that I think the Jehovah character is  
>> actually based
>> on something those ancient, primitive humans experienced. Some other
>> atheists instantly dismiss any possibility of that. But we all are  
>> in that
>> generalized group that doesn't believe in any gods, and just  
>> because of
>> that, there are a lot of ideas and attitudes we all share, and some  
>> of them
>> are probably much more far-reaching than we realize.
>>
>> Joy
>>
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