Maybe he was an alien in a spaceship.
On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Joy <[address removed]> wrote:
> I like to look at everything, see what makes logical sense, think
> about how human nature figures into it all, other people's opinions,
> stories handed down that may or may not be factual... See what kind
> of Big Picture I can come up with, and then constantly adapt it.
> Some of those stories in the bible seem just too simple and specific
> to be pulled out of thin air (every story starts with SOMETHING). I
> read _Chariots of the Gods_ by Erik von Daniken a long time ago, and
> the main thing I remember from it is the passage in Job (I looked it
> up in the King James version) about Jehovah coming in a silver bird
> that landed on wheels and spit fire. It all fits together handily --
> the scraggly tribe whose technology was limited to the materials
> found in their immediate environment, an ego-maniacal person from
> some other time/place who had no scruples about exploiting these
> people's fear and amazement, the relatively short time that Jehovah
> was there with them and thereafter he sent "angels" to do his
> business... Looks like the silver-bird folks had set up a whole
> enterprise there, and when they eventually got tired of the game,
> the power-mad humans took over, perpetuating the story, coming up
> with "reasons" for why Jehovah wouldn't bother to show his face any
> more, etc.
> Other stories in the bible are just ridiculously fantastic in any
> sense of reality, like the plagues on the Egyptians. But those
> stories would sure serve as "proof" of God's power, to gullible
> people who bought into the whole idea put forth to them by the
> religious authorities. People have always exaggerated, over and
> over, stories that started out with some basis in fact -- or that
> were completely made-up, but still got exaggerated.
> And I'm sure we all know the Christians' propensity for taking
> traditions from other religions, worming their way into the culture.
> On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Abby wrote:
>> Hi Joy,
>> Just out of curiosity (and to start a thread on a fresh topic),
>> what ancient
>> experience do you think led to the Jehovah character?
>> I remember reading something about how ancient Egyptians never
>> anything in their record-keeping about slaves or plagues. But
>> there was a
>> group of nomads-turned-mercernaries called the "Habiru." I like
>> the theory
>> that this diverse group of people stood up to the Egyptian
>> theocracy, and
>> the tale of their revolt grew out of proportion and became the tale
>> of the
>> Hebrews leaving Egypt.
>> There are also a lot of parallels between the myth of Jesus and the
>> myth of
>> Horus. Both begotten by a virgin, both the sole son of God/Osiris,
>> shepherds, both persecuted, both walked on water, resisted
>> restored sight to the blind, and raised a dead man from the grave.
>> crucified and resurrected.
>> From: Joy
>> All atheists think that there is no "higher power". I fall under
>> this broad
>> category of "atheist". If you look closer, one difference between
>> me and
>> some other atheists is that I think the Jehovah character is
>> actually based
>> on something those ancient, primitive humans experienced. Some other
>> atheists instantly dismiss any possibility of that. But we all are
>> in that
>> generalized group that doesn't believe in any gods, and just
>> because of
>> that, there are a lot of ideas and attitudes we all share, and some
>> of them
>> are probably much more far-reaching than we realize.
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