RE: [aynrand-8] Some say Ayn Rand was not so "nice": That is out of context

From: user 1.
Sent on: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:04 PM

Hi:

I was about to just start hitting delete without much further reading of the back and forth.

Glad I am patient. Pleased with the more sophisticated back and forth.

I’m pleased because I see value in it.

Personally, I think the kind of “big bang” back at ya approach, softly given is a powerful approach. It is like a hammer blow of a boxer still wearing gloves.

Respecting the game, knocking the opponent down...hopefully not out unless it is obviously a dead end.

The longer this goes on, in order to win, the more powerful the result can be.

 

That is exactly the way the Social Theory of Relativity, all human history, and everything in the entire world, indicate.

Rand referred to this process of winning as ”blank out”.

When the other side “blanks out” and never ever replies...that is the top of the game. For the time being.

 

Eventually, the game will find a way to manifest at a higher level.

Go, compete, win....everyone....me too.

Jim

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Marc Gerstein
Sent: Sunday, August 12,[masked]:26 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [aynrand-8] Some say Ayn Rand was not so "nice": That is out of context

 

 

Yes,  David, I definitely have a mind and can speak for myself. Indeed, those who attended the most recent Ayn Rand meetup in New York City know I'm quite willing to take and explain unconventional stands on Objectivst issues.

 

But the issue here involves nothing like that. The principal is clear-cut and firmly established in Objectivism. There is nothing at all obscure about it. The page reference I gave you is not, by any means, the only place where the material can be found. In fact, it was well discussed as a foundation for ideas put forth in one of the feature articles in the current issue of "The Objective Standard." And considering how obvious it is that you are not at all interested in Ayn Rand or Objectivism, I'll throw you another bone: The principals are also referred to on the Libertarian Party web site!

 

So there really is no need for me to waste time spelling it out. Notice that my refusal to offer anything other than a cite to Rand is causing no real consternation among others who are following this discussion (who likely know exactyl what I'm talking about even if they are unable to pinpoint, off the top of their heads, to page 119 of Virtue of Selfishness), except for Michael, whose intellectual prowess seems limited to such offerings as "eat shit and die" and "suck on a tailpipe." (Aren't you proud to attract such high-quality support!) 

 

In case you haven't noticed, this discussion is not, actually, about proper use of force. It's about whether you, who cite libertarianism and objectivism and lead a libertarian meetup are a bona fide liberatrian or objectivist, or a loudmouth phony who knows nothing about either. And every post you make serves as one more item of evidence in support of the latter.

 

The reason I've been pursuing this is because it is relevant to the initial topic of this thread, Ayn Rand's niceness or lack thereof, and the direction in which the thread moved, to wit, to the general tone that surrounds discussions of objectivism.

 

We've heard much about the extreme stridency on both sides and a bit of chicken-and-egg which-caused-which give and take. But there's also the factor of internal sabotage (friendly fire?) in the from of whackos on the right who hide under the objectivist banner to propagate personal and outrageous nonsense having nothing at all to do with objectivism. It hurts Objectivism by infusing it with a taint of stupidity (leftists can't be expected to know that these speakers are imputing to objectivism concepts that true objectivists regard as nonsense) and by inflaming the debate insofar as it encourages leftists and even centrists to amp up the hostility. Objectivism is a great philosophy, but it's hard to defend it when it's weighed down by irrelevant stupidities nailed to its coat-tails by loudmouth phonies.

 

 


From: David <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, August 12,[masked]:17 PM
Subject: Re: [aynrand-8] Some say Ayn Rand was not so "nice": That is out of context

 

Do you have a mind? Can you not speak for yourself? I assume you have a self don't you?

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On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Marc Gerstein <[address removed]> wrote:

What part of Virtue of Selfishness page 119 didn't you understand?

David <[address removed]> wrote:

I never got an answer as to why you get to initiate force. So far, alI I heard is "because we share the same country". 

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On Aug 12, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Marc Gerstein <[address removed]> wrote:

"I was forced into the USA at the behest o my mother contractions."

 

As you should (but may not) know from "We the Living," Kira did not want to stay in Bolshevik Russia. When she and Leo tried to leave, they were turned back at gunpoint. If, on the other hand, you try to leave the U.S., your biggest challenge will probably be the price of liquor at the duty-free shop (or, depending on where you live, traffic jams on the way to the airport). So if you are unhappy in the USA, you are free to go. If you choose to stay, then that choice is yours, so leave your mother out of it.

 

"eat shit and die."

 

"suck a tail pipe you base communist"

 

More rational thought from a bully who thinks abusive language can cover up ignorance re: Objectivism.

 


From: Michael Olsen <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, August 12,[masked]:45 AM
Subject: Re: [aynrand-8] Some say Ayn Rand was not so "nice": That is out of context


Marc, eat shit and die.
"For starters, nobody forces you to live in civilized society..." Unlike you, supreme shit chugger, I was forced into the USA at the behest o my mother contractions. This is a forum & group of thinkers. I suggest you stick to YouTube trolling.
Ps. Die. Please. Fast. No jokes, suck a tail pipe you base communist ;)

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On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Marc Gerstein <[address removed]> wrote:

> For starters, nobody forces you to live in civilized society



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