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Re: [badminton-51] coming together and growing our sport

From: mpsurapaneni
Sent on: Saturday, July 12, 2014 7:18 PM
Hi Dennis,

I have never spoken on this forum before, but, it would be wrong to remain quiet at this time. For the record, Bernard never tried to sell equipment to me in the past year or so when I played badminton in and around Raleigh. I don't think banning him is sending a positive signal to the community. Ad-hoc discussions among the community brought people to badmintion-nc, it is better to keep it that way. 

Hopefully you guys both will figure it out how to co-exist even if you have to compete.

Good luck and best wishes to all,

On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Leon Grodski de Barrera <[address removed]> wrote:
I love badminton in a way that makes me want others to understand it as a competitive sport, love it, play it and watch it.  I want more than a small handful of people to be able to make a living from playing, coaching and fostering the sport.

I started playing badminton at 14 years old. I played a lot as a teen, then after an injury and going to college I stopped playing for 23 years until Brandon Hoe and I, after knowing each other for over a year, stumbled upon the fact that we both played when we were younger.  Brandon grew up in Malaysia and I in Miller Place, NY one of the random and rare places in the US where people took the sport seriously in the 1980's.  We have since been playing when we can around the triangle. 

I'm 40 now, play with sometimes severe arthritis, but I get my body moving, work my heart and enjoy the company of many generous and passionate people.

Brandon and I have gotten to know lots of folks in the Triangle badminton community over this past year.  We have been welcomed and it has been a reawakening for me.  I have made some new friends, including Bernard and Dennis.

Badminton NC has been a dream come true for me. I have greatly benefited from the quality of the facility, the range of players, the generosity of the coaching and the friendliness of the people there. I have brought many first time players, and the facility and the welcome have turned them on to the sport.

I don't know the exact specifics of what has brought the current issue about.  I am co-owner of a small coffee shop in Durham and know how it feels to put everything you have in life, money, time, family, into a small business.  And I can say crazy stuff happens with all small businesses. In our case it's goofy stuff like people bringing their own tea bags and asking for hot water, then sitting in the shop for hours without buying anything and things like that.  I know how that makes me feel. 

I also know that Bernard has been working in a way that has helped us all and I don't see a possibility for malicious intent -- As Carol wrote, "He has been selling badminton supplies to all of us for years, and delivers the purchased supplies to whatever location the person that bought them prefers - he has been doing this for years even before he started his business." 

People have been playing out of community centers and pickup gyms over the years and the question of commercial crossover hadn't been an issue.  I can see how this problem can innocently come about.  It seems to me, from all the responses, that we have a misunderstanding between good people.

We need to be sure that we come together on this as we all stand to lose from division in our small community.

We all stand to gain quite a bit from the success of this beautiful dedicated facility as a community and as a sport.  We also have all benefited from the folks who have been dedicated to this sport in the Triangle for many years, including Hy, Bernard, Lisa, Josie and many others (many whom I don't know).  I have gotten to know Dennis and Mette and know that they are super sweet, thoughtful folks who are dedicated to the sport.  Dennis is an insightful, welcoming man and an incredibly talented coach. 

As I have been playing more regularly at Badminton NC in the past month I have been thinking a lot about small businesses and what goes into their success. I know that my time as a young man, playing badminton, training, learning discipline and competing has had a direct effect on who I have become and the success of my business.

Please let's find a way to move beyond this so that we can focus on the development and respect that our sport needs.

I would be happy to help in any way that I can to resolve this issue.  We and our sport stand to gain from unity.



This should be our focus - the kids (you do not want to miss this 1 minute video):

Also, the Yonex US Open is streaming live on today and tomorrow with Morten Frost commentating.

On 7/12/14 9:42 AM, Amit Kumar wrote:
Hi Dennis,

I have known Bernard for almost a year now, and I feel really sorry to see all this confusion build up to this level. I think if you have a problem with someone you should first talk to him about that, is he continues to do what is not permitted then you go ahead an ban him.
Bernard didn't offer his services in "Badminton NC" to me or my friends, I've always seen him as a good player trying to promote badminton in this region, I would vote against him being banned.


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Bernard Lai <[address removed]> wrote:

WOW! I am speechless.
There was No verbal warnings, no conversation, no prior emails or just simply a communication directly to me or sNp for a matter which could simply have been worked out.....straight to the banishment! (I understand there is a posted sign at the facility which I personally have not seen)

For the record, I did NOT solicit in your facility.  I do respect your business and I do avoid selling.  The several times I am there is to "play" and have fun.  The "continued selling" per your email, if I recall, were "pickups" on customer request.  I have no idea that's a no no!.  I have NOT created a "competition" propaganda, openly or silently.  Please ask ALL your customers if I had solicit or create a negative feedback upon your facility.  Also, please ask some of your NEW customers if Bernard referred them!!!

Regardless, I respect your decision to BAN me.  It is YOUR facility after all.

Lastly, I have not been using the email you sent  to for years, i.e. [address removed] as it is flooded with spams.  I am so curious why you sent me this email to that address and wonder how you know about that email address.  I have been known to all via [address removed]! My point is, if I had not checked this email tonight, I wonder what would happen if I just showed up at your facility.

To the rest of the badminton community,  I have been told that there is a post on Badminton NC Facebook of similar complaint. I believe I am the subject!   For those who have FB, please go read it (I don't use FB). I take Dennis' decision humbly :) However, I wonder what are your thoughts and  if you guys would like to vote if Bernard should be BANNED.  I am NOT asking to be UN-BANNED :) 

Anybody who replies with a comment or vote will receive an additional 20% discount on rackets & shoes, on top of our everyday sNp  low prices! :)  You know where to find me to get your discount (obviously not at Badminton NC anymore)

Hy, please forward to any other groups I missed :) 


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Bernard <[address removed]> wrote:

On , Bernard <[address removed]> wrote:

On Friday, July 11,[masked]:03 PM, Badminton NC <[address removed]> wrote:

We’re sorry to have been put in the position to address your
continued selling of products in or around Badminton NC.  Selling products on any Craig Davis
properties, by you or anyone else, is illegal.
Therefore, it has become necessary for Badminton NC to
advise you, that you are no longer welcome to play at Badminton NC as of July
11, 2014.  Property Management has
advised us that they will take legal action against you, or anyone else, that sells
products or services on Craig Davis Properties again.


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