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Re: RE: [filmind-228] Fw: Doing the math on Duck Dynasty

From: Susie L.
Sent on: Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:20 AM
Ben Balser left the meetup, and quickly responded as such below, and complained that we "bashed" him as per below.  Ben has been a beloved and highly admired dear friend of mine, whom I had bragged on all the time. He has a right to disagree, and like all my friends, we have agreed to disagree on many issues in and out an to hold respect for those who do, as well as respect our Opponents when they come to address us. He called me an evangelist, which I thought was precious/cute even tho it was not meant as a compliment in his first reply and then later in paragraph says I "bashed" him. I always loved this man and spoke well of him and liked him a bit too much going around and mentioning he is a genius, which he is, and was one of our best Speakers to our meetup.  I was thankful to have this man around and now broken because he wants to part our friendship. It is ok for him to leave meetup, which is his right to do so, but to accuse me of bashing and deluding was not right as I did everything I could to be a loyal friend to his man.  We have a right to disagree with him, too, and we all here have done so with respect and love.

I appreciate and thank Cori, Mari, Heather, and Sherry for their support and replies.  I have this thread open because we need to get the information out to our Membership and those in the community what is going on regarding the Effort. I appreciated Ben replying and letting me know his stand, but did not like him accusing me of bashing him. I am sad that Ben did not take the time to see Theirs and my Replies, which was all meant to help and inform him.

I want to make it clear to Ben that Ben has a right to ask a question and to ask, expect, and get the documentation from me, which I expect as he was asking for something he needed to inform him. I was very cooperative and glad to get him the 3 pieces in my replies: The LFEA Video, Fact Sheet and Video, and the Impact Study. And so do we have that right, too.  Instead he replied as below:


BEN BALSER's Reply to me  here and then left meetup:

No, they are being given money as welfare.  No business is taxed 100%.  All Louisiana businesses except oil and film are paying full taxes and making profits.  All legitimate businesses pay back themselves.  I run two, and they do.  Employees, vendors, clients, etc, do not equal the same amount of money we allow films to NOT pay in taxes that other Louisiana businesses have to pay.  And reality TV, especially Duck Dynasty, makes a MUCH GREATER profit margin than any other Louisiana business, besides oil, who also get subsidies (a subsidy is welfare).  YOU bash us, Susie, you do it all the time!  NOTHING in your defense of movie/tv tax credits adds up when you do the actual math, scientific fact.  Show me the numbers that prove these tax credits "help" Louisiana."



On 7/4/14, 11:24 AM, Susie Labry wrote:
Here is the latest document. Fresh one is being made and will get that out as soon as it is completed.

It is not "welfare".  It is being taxed less. Many businesses cannot operate at the amount they are being taxed at 100%.  All we ask is that we have them taxed at 70%. No business pays back themselves. It is the employees, vendors, clients, etc. that pay State back in form of sales taxes.

Who in our group is "bashing" you? They have no business bashing and hate crime at you or to those who question or oppose us.



BEN BALSER'S lst REPLY TO MY POST RE Louisiana Budget Project.
From: Ben Balser <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, July 4,[masked]:16 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [filmind-228] Fw: Doing the math on Duck Dynasty

Fact remains, Duck Dynasty gets welfare from the state, and then say welfare is wrong, and the number of Louisiana residents who pay state taxes who work for that show will never come anywhere close to making it up with their own income tax returns.  Not to mention no one has ever come up with numbers to factually show that TV shows and films in Louisiana, getting billions of welfare dollars, actually simulate enough other business to pay back not only those billions of film welfare dollars, but to show a profit.  Not one single study has ever shown this to be true.  Yet there are evangelists who insist it is true based on faith, not numbers.  Accounting based on faith ends up losing money, period.

It was stated, "I love how it conveniently leaves out any revenue made by the state in the form of tourism, housing, tax from merchandise etc, etc, etc."

Again, show me numbers, where is a study to factually back up this claim?  Several studies have been done here and in other states, and show the tax incentives don't actually bring in as much as you claim.  The film industry does not bring in tons of tourism.  People don't come to see films made.  No city has ever been shown to have an increase in tourism because a movie was made there.  Show me the facts.

On a radio interview this past week, Secretary of Louisiana Economic Development Stephen Moret was asked (by me) when the film/tv tax insitives will pay for themselves, or stimulate enough state wide growth to pay them back, and admitted that the tax incentives will never pay for themselves in any manner, they are an expensive and very precarious investment in returns we have no information to verify.  So there you have it, the tax incentives may never be financially beneficial, from the horse's mouth.

So, there are no facts to back up wild statements that the state grows economically from the billions of dollars we give away as film industry welfare.  Not a single piece of solid, factual information.  Just speculation based on made-up fantasies about economics that do not mathematically add up.

Those of us who simply question the realities of tax incentives and film industry welfare, are chastised by you evangelists for asking simple questions of numbers, rather than jumping on the bandwagon of blind faith.  Again, show the numbers to backup your claim, and stop bashing folks like me who ask legitimate questions.

Duck Dynasty does NOT in any way, form, or shape pay the state back for the tons of welfare money the cast gets from the state, that is does in any manner is simply a fantasy that the numbers don't back up.  Why not run it like a regular TV show, and let it support itself off of advertising and sponsors?  What is wrong with that?  Why should MY tax dollars support rich folks I never watch or care for?  "I" don't get any return on that, do I?

Put you money where your mouth is, show me some factual numbers, show me factually in reality how Duck Dynasty's welfare checks help me as a Louisiana citizen?

-Ben Balser


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