Is debate dead? Small group Debate over drinks! Legally Enforced Vaccinations

The topic is Legally Enforced Vaccinations.

Some articles:

Solutions for Forced Vaccinations and Flu Pandemics


Mandatory Vaccinations: Precedent and Current Laws

Feel free to suggest additional articles.


(If you want to suggest a topic for a future small group meeting, when you RSVP indicate what topic.)

The format: Small group discussion for the fun, quick thinking challenge we love...   After a little preparation time, two volunteer teams will then take to one side of the table or the other to argue the for and against case.

A unique, informal take on the typical debate, you will be seated at a table giving you plenty of opportunity for smaller group discussions and a chance for everyone to have their say. The evening is structured with plenty of breaks for drinks and food.

The ideal way to meet new people, enjoy intelligent conversation over a few drinks.

If you're tired of easily offending people with your craving for a good debate or simply want to discuss the important topics of the day outside of the office without being told its not the time or place, then this is the event for you. If you enjoy being a part of challenging and interesting discussions then this is the event for you.

The Controversial Topic Book Club is a community of people that want to change the world for the better. We gather to discuss/debate the issues of the world and share ideas about possible solutions.

A Devil's advocate is a way of challenging a position or perspective about a topic about which there is debate by arguing for something you do not necessarily agree with. If we are not evenly divided on the issue, we will ask for someone(s) to play Devil's Advocate.

Please arrive at 7:15pm for a 7.30pm start.

These "small group discussions/debates" are best with a not too few people and not too many people at a table to give everyone a chance to be a part of the discussion while at the same time getting a diverse number of opinions. If you are not going to be able to attend, please update your RSVP more than 24 hours before the event and let someone else have your spot. Think of it as your responsibility to the other people.

$1 entry to help pay for the group.

Bring some interesting printouts / facts about the issue!

Format of the meeting: 
Tables of 6 to 7 people each for small group debate/discussion.
- Start with each person, at their optional, to say what is your viewpoint is, or what you're looking to learn.
- There will likely be two or three general positions/viewpoints.
- If most people agree, than we will ask for volunteers to take a Devil's Advocate position.
- Initially, everyone will have an opportunity to discuss why your position/viewpoint is best. - Then, everyone will have an opportunity to argue the “for and against” case. This is perfect for novice debaters, those of you who haven't debated for a while, or people that simply want to give it a go.
- After the “for and against” discussion and rebuttal, any semblance of a "semi-formal debate" would disappear and it will be a conversation.
- There will be no "debate rules" other than be nice. It will be very casual

Look forward to seeing you there


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  • Jay W.

    Insight: Evidence grows for narcolepsy link to GSK swine flu shot

    1 · January 24, 2013

    • Al R.

      Thanks for the article Jay.

      One of the most horrible, is when a human is irreversibly harmed by a man-made product/action while being told that it is for his/her benefit.

      What is the moral from this article?

      January 24, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Books/Article on Topic:

    1. Make an Informed Vaccine Decision for the Health of Your Child: A Parent's Guide to Childhood Shots
    Mayer Eisenstein

    2. The Vaccine Book: Making the Right Decision for Your Child
    Robert W. Sears

    3.Vaccine Epidemic: How Corporate Greed, Biased Science, and Coercive Government Threaten Our Human Rights, Our Health, and Our Children
    Louise Kuo Habakus, Mary Holland

    4. The Age of Autism: Mercury, Medicine and a Man-made Epidemic. Dan Olmsted and Mark Blaxill

    5. Suggested At-BirthTesting:

    6. Autism in the Amish Community: Sincerely, Robert Indech, PhD PE

    2 · January 9, 2013

    • Alaine

      'd like to offer a few opposing comments:

      A 2009 review paper looked at 20 epidemiological studies that examined the link between autism (ASD) and MMR vaccinations or thimerosal exposure. None found an association. Given the size of the studies, if there was some association they should've found it. For example, a Denmark study looked at 537,303 kids born between 91-98 and found no differences in risk of ASD between those who did and did not receive the MMR vaccine. In parts of Europe, thimerosal was phased out of vaccines beginning in the 90's. Despite this removal, incidence in autism continued to increase. Studies failed to find a risk of people who had thimerosal-containting vaccines over thimerosal-free vaccines.

      January 10, 2013

    • Alaine

      In contrast with these huge epidemiological studies, I've only found a handful of small studies looking for a link between heavy metals levels in hair/urine and ASD. The results were not particularly compelling in anything I read (some found an association, some did not), and none were published in high-impact journals.

      So how bad was Wakefield? I would love to get into that at another debate! In the meantime, here's an article talking about a lawsuit Wakefield filed. I was particularly fond of it, since it mentions herd immunity!­

      In short, CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics, and US National Academy of Science (and many many other scientific societies) have all reviewed the evidence and found no link between vaccines and autism. Until I see evidence for a link that is at least as strong as the evidence that shows no link, I'll stay firmly on the side of vaccinations.

      January 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    January 7, 2013

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