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Re: [betaNYC] Where's the Green Book?

From: Ralph Y.
Sent on: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:19 AM
This will be an ongoing issue as long as we consider "placing the data online" as an afterthought or an additional process.

Would it not be better if the process of transparency was an integral part of all projects and data flows in all government operations.

This means that there would NOT be public dump of the data and a private actual database that is used internally.

For example, PLUTO data is freed and ACRIS data is freed, DOF data, Statement of Account, etc.  But they are all snapshots of data at a certain time.

Yet some external companies (it appears) still get daily updates (this is just a guess, can someone confirm this?  For example, does the Furman Center still get daily updates of ACRIS data.  This is not intended to single out the Furman Center.  It so happens that the Furman Center was nice enough to host a betanyc meeting and the presenter told us of the process)

Also a related topic:  We as a society and government should test and use our own systems.  Some call this "dog fooding".  Where if you produce a system and you use a different system and expect the public to use the system that you produced, that is not a good way to produce a good system.

If socrata and/or bigquery or whatever is used to make data public, our internal government system should be using that same system.  Of course, there may have to be redacted information in the public view of the system but that should be part of the process.  If redaction is needed, it must already being done in the "giant data dump" approach that we are using today.  But the "giant data dump" approach is not sustainable.  Imagine a day when you need to dump billions of ACRIS records and then the next year you dump billions plus some extra records.  It does not make sense.  The sensible approach is API access to the data.


p.s. (Resending it appears meetup mailing list server is failing randomly)


On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Noel Hidalgo | BetaNYC <[address removed]> wrote:
Dan,

It took us 2 years for the last administration to update the green book. Just as we had it, we lost it.

Making a crowd sourced / wiki version of the Green book is a great idea. You should do it. If you need help, take it to the developers list.

n




On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Daniel Eldridge <[address removed]> wrote:
Why isn't The Green Book online?

Having had the Green Book "online" it's all the more shocking that's it is no longer so.
But as we all know, being "online" is a meaningless term. 

What's all the more astonishing is the fanfare associated with it's initial "online" release:

Why isn't the Green Book a wiki so that updates can happen in realtime AND we could then see historical data?

There's no need for this to be a Socrata hosted open data project, just make it mediawiki and only allow editing from within nyc.gov, ok, ok, probably should also allow editing from *.gov

Thoughts?

--Dan Eldridge

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