Re: Re[2]: [blacktechies] App to avoid black neighborhoods

From: Bklynate
Sent on: Friday, August 8, 2014 4:45 PM
Exactly Michael, I'm glad I'm not the only person who read some of lines with a "Wtf?!" facial expression lol.


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Michael Vilabrera <[address removed]> wrote:
Naturally no one on this list would associate sketchy to equal black. However in your own post groups of black or latino youth would be "sketchy". How do you know they are unemployed? From their vernacular? From the fact that they are hanging out late at night? TBH we all have been conditioned to accept racism to a certain degree- and the truth is this app does not help keep anyone safe.


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, natashaelaine <[address removed]> wrote:
Hey everyone - 

I've been following this convo since it began and have mixed feeling about the app since I read about it on Valley Wag|Gawker. That being said, as a mid-30s black female (originally from the suburbs of PA) who has lived in large cities (Boston, NYC, Philly) for the pass 20 years - I would have welcomed this app many times over the years! I lived in gentrifying neighborhoods for years (before we had a term for it), and some of them were a lil rough!

I agree with nathanielcfa: "Who said sketchy equals black?" I didn't think sketchy = black. I think sketchy = unsafe. The original article hinted at racism but titled the write up "Smiling Young White People Make App for Avoiding Black Neighborhoods" and then this thread started the convo with: "App to avoid black neighborhoods"! I blame both the author of the original article and this thread for sensationalizing the app. Hate to say it but this sounds like race baiting to me...

Whether the founders of the app are directly discriminating against black people specifically, is debatable at best. Hell, I deem areas sketchy if: there are no families or women around late night, corners full of unemployed black and Latino men hanging out in groups day in and day out, large groups of male teenagers roaming in packs, no police presence and obvious drug deals happening on the street. Any combination of these things makes me avoid a neighborhood. I consider those places sketchy and I won't walk around alone in areas like that. Does that make me racist against my own people? Or am I someone who does not want to end up a victim in some way? Be it from physical intimidation or verbal harassment or something more violent? If I feel like I need a personal escort walking through an area or neighborhood, it is sketchy - and it doesn't matter what color you are.

In my opinion, the only thing that would make the app racist is if the collected data is anecdotal or based on personal opinions as opposed to police activity, arrests, criminal statistics, etc. I see nothing wrong with it.

But I do love the idea of a glass ceiling app based on statistical evidence from HR, company info, profiles, hiring procedures, executive boards, etc. Fantastic idea!




On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Bklynate <[address removed]> wrote:
The title of the email is also race baiting "App to Avoid Black Neighborhoods". Are all Sketchy Neighborhoods predominantly black? When you heard Sketchy Neighborhoods why did you automatically jump to Black Neighborhoods and right off the bat turn this into a "racism" thing?


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Randy <[address removed]> wrote:
Good point, I think all of those things.. I want to continue thinking about it because it's interesting.. The multiple thoughts that is...

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On Aug 8, 2014, at 2:17 PM, EddieN <[address removed]> wrote:

The first thing that came to mind when I saw the headline was "It could be an index of where to gentrify next."

Part of me wants to condemn the app and spread my outrage about it online, but another part of me wants to not give it any more publicity. A third part of me wants to encourage Round The Way (isn't it funny how when people of color create a platform to uplift themselves, other non-POC immediately call it "racist", when in fact the platform has quite the opposite intent?) ten times more than I have in the past. And a fourth part of me is going, "hipster racism on a Friday, lawd..."

Eddie, for I am a man of many parts


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Alvin <[address removed]> wrote:
I like the glass ceiling idea, how about also highlighting which organizations have no one of color in a leadership position. 
Though the reasoning could get subjective quickly...



On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Marie Edith Patterson <[address removed]> wrote:
I have no idea what message you want to impart from reading your email.

On Aug 8, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Randy <[address removed]> wrote:

Actually, racist is not only not fundable, it's non-refundable.. And for the others I'd like to add.. Just because you wear a suite and tie does not mean you know more than the guy who is equally as corporate, has a similar or likely better resume as well as wears his his hat to the back and Tim's and such  to work depending on how I feel today's dress code is.. 

Well, I've worked among the smartest people in America basically all my life... Thank you for the conversation, we should continue it...

Individual Eleven


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On Aug 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Marie Edith Patterson <[address removed]> wrote:

Racist is extremely fundable.

On Aug 8, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Diana <[address removed]> wrote:

I agree I can't believe this nonsense got funded!!! Smh

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On Aug 8, 2014, at 1:13 AM, Jonathan <[address removed]> wrote:

To think someone thought this worth venture capital. Maybe one off us should build an app that tells us where we can go to avoid driving while black traffic stops and Klansman.

Jonathan

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Friday, August 8, 2014, 12:43 AM -0400 from Steven Francisco <[address removed]>:
if it keeps the gentrification at bay I might report whole neighborhoods...
On Aug 8,[masked]:11 AM, "Therese L" < [address removed] > wrote:
>Thought this was interesting to share. 
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>Is there any way to keep white people from using computers, before this whole planet is ruined? I ask because the two enterprising white entrepreneurs above just made yet another app for avoiding non-white areas of your town—and it's really taking off!
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>Crain's reports on SketchFactor, a racist app made for avoiding "sketchy" neighborhoods, which is the term young white people use to describe places where they don't feel safe because they watched all five seasons of The Wire:
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>SketchFactor, the brainchild of co-founders Allison McGuire and Daniel Herrington, is a Manhattan-based navigation app that crowdsources user experiences along with publicly available data to rate the relative "sketchiness" of certain areas in major cities. The app will launch on the iTunes on Friday, capping off a big week for the startup, which was named as a finalist in the NYC BigApps competition.
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>According to Ms. McGuire, a Los Angeles native who lives in the West Village, the impetus behind SketchFactor was her experience as a young woman navigating the streets of Washington, D.C., where she worked at a nonprofit.
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>...
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>After meeting Mr. Herrington, an electrical engineer who was taken with the SketchFactor idea, the two quit their Washington D.C.-based jobs and decamped to New York City with funding from family and friends.
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>As one of the finalists in the BigApps competition, SketchFactor is poised to receive more attention when it launches. With firsthand experience living in Washington, D.C., where white terror is as ubiquitous as tucked-in polo shirts, grinning caucasians Allison McGuire and Daniel Herrington should be unstoppable in the field of smartphone race-baiting—they're already finalists in a $20,000 startup contest! But don't worry: they're not racist. It says so right on their blog, which asks people to share "sketchy" stories about strangers they spot:
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>Who we're not: racists, bigots, sexists. Any discriminatory posts will be deleted.
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>Source: http://valleywag.gawker.com/smiling-young-white-people-make-app-for-avoiding-black-1617775138/all
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