RE: [bostonatheists] Yoga Lessons in public school

From: Eric N.
Sent on: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:00 PM

Holy crap, librarians still exist?

AHhh, don’t hit me, Zack. It wasn’t confrontational.

 

Regards,

Guy who thinks he’s funnier than he is.

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Amanda
Sent: Friday, October 26,[masked]:58 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] Yoga Lessons in public school

 

Academic librarian popping in again.

First, any article indexed in PubMed Central is there because part of the research that contributed to the article was funded by NIH grant money. (Tax payers' money).  Researchers must apply for and have a grant approved by the government in order to appear in PubMed Central at all.  Of course sometimes studies are flawed, but the fact that this article is in PubMed Central is proof that it's not just some random article written by some whack-job on the internet.

As for peer review, Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine IS peer-reviewed.  It's also indexed in many highly respected databases such as Web of Science, PubMed, and, yes, the Journal Citation Reports.

Further, impact factor is not the be-all, end-all of whether or not a journal is trustworthy.  It simply demonstrates how *important* a journal is in its field. Newer journals almost always have lower impact factors, for instance, simply because they haven't been around long enough to have been cited many times.  For the record, the impact factor of the journal in question is 4.774.

And to address something mentioned previously, just because some of the peers involved in the peer-review process are CAM practitioners does not mean they are not properly analyzing the evidence or negate the peer review process.  A good peer review consists of a panel of a variety of experts.  Particularly in a controversial topic like CAM it will consist of both mainstream and CAM practitioners to combat accusations of bias from both sides.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Raja <[address removed]> wrote:

"by what authority do you have to say that a journal is not reliable?"
By knowing a bit about publishing scientific papers. By knowing a bit about the importance of impact factors. By knowing a bit about the initial criteria to judge the reliability of a scientific paper. But that does not mean I am an 'expert,' but I bet that any expert will agree that papers published in that journal is not too reliable.


From: [address removed]
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] Yoga Lessons in public school
Date: Fri, 26 Oct[masked]:31:50 -0400

Raja, by what authority do you have to say that a journal is not reliable? You are capable of looking up any journal's impact factor (and the importance of an impact factor is a discussion for another time). What I sent was a "review". This means that the authors compiled data from 38 different sources (and if you want, you may check the impact factor of each and every journal) and presented a global view, at a recent time (2012), of the state of research into yoga's effectiveness. "This report summarizes the current evidence on the effects of yoga interventions on various components of mental and physical health". You ought to read the evidence/data before you make snap judgments on the information being supplied or the journal in which something is recorded.  

 

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Anthony Medel <[address removed]> wrote:

I did not send any articles.  My response came from personal experience using my own body and senses.

 

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On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Raja <[address removed]> wrote:

 


Anthony Medel,
The article you sent is published in a journal named "Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine," published by Hindawi Publishing Corporation. Not a reliable peer-reviewed journal. Can you send me its 'impact factor?' Its not difficult to find such articles in the web. But scientific validity requires independent verification and reproducibility among many things. I would be interested to know the 'impact factor' of that journal; a very important number to consider. These kinds of articles smell more like 'water has memory'-kind of articles. In case of 'water memory' it was published in the journal Nature! The authors never could reproduce the data, although the paper was never retracted! Peer-review is an important source but not the only factor.
Raja


From: [address removed]
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] Yoga Lessons in public school
Date: Fri, 26 Oct[masked]:28:55 -0400

I think there are far more instances of stress being bad for us than relaxation.  There's some nutty stuff going on in Japanese society, while many European nations give workers far more time off from work and they have far less social strife than we do.

 

Besides, it's the quality of life, not the length of it, that makes it worth living.  I'd rather have a shorter life being happier than a longer life being stressed and anxious!

 

Anthony Medel
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On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Eric Newbury <[address removed]> wrote:

 

Truthfully, I think relaxing is what’s bad for us sometimes. Look at Japan: the highest stress levels in the world mixed with the most amphetamine abuse – and they live longer than us.

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Caitlin Ondracek
Sent: Friday, October 26,[masked]:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Re: [bostonatheists] Yoga Lessons in public school

 

I don't know if the attachment to my previous message worked; here is the link to the review article I mention. Hope this works.

 





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