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Re: [bostonatheists] On the curriculum at Cedarville University in Ohio:

From: Josiah
Sent on: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:28 PM
This angle on the topic reminds me of quitting smoking. I used to smoke 2 packs a day, and one of the problems I had was, what am I going to do with all that time? 40 cig * 5min = north of 3 hours a day. It turns out it wasn't really an issue after the fact but it was pretty daunting to go through. And the point is that breaking habits has carry on effects that don't have anything to do with the content of the habit. 

-Josiah

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Lucas <[address removed]> wrote:
I think the real issue though and how this thread started was how people feel a "hole" in their heart when they finally give it up. It is no small feat to stop practicing for people who know nothing else and who's lives are quite literally planned hour to hour by religion. That "freedom" is terrifying. Imagine entering a frame of mind where there is no idea of god to admonish you for thinking horrific thoughts?  We all have them, but when the training we have to "self-police" our thoughts is gone, the guilt remains. It's very traumatizing and a perfect example of why indoctrination is not only wrong but criminal. 

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On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Mike Hanauer <[address removed]> wrote:

I agree.

When saying I'm an atheist, people have said they feel sorry for me and have said that as I get older I will become a believer. Getting older has just affirmed by belief that happiness need have nothing do to with religion. I get satisfaction out of the liberation and the activism that I participate in on population and economic growth issues (both are killing our environment). Really, religion, who needs it. Nobody IMHO. It is a crutch that pushes people to feel good rather than do good. It can provide happiness, but it is so artificial and empty.

But, this is a tough sell to those who have been indoctrinated since like age 2.
 
    ~Mike


From: barbara guillette <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22,[masked]:27 PM
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] On the curriculum at Cedarville University in Ohio:

I am surprised, I never had a "big hole " left when I decided I was an atheist, only a sense of great freedom. A sense that a burden had been taken off my shoulders.

I know we are a ritualistic animal and maybe that is what you miss the rituals.. I  never missed religion at all... I have one bad habit I would like to changeand that  is using words meant for religous doctrine.  I have to change that, I even feel uncomfortabe using the word faith. Or genesis, evil, that is still difficult for me. Most of what is considered to be  evil to our religious friends is our primitive selves coming to the front, only most do not recognize that, what they do is primative man at his best or worst. Deciding what your perspective is. 

--- On Tue, 1/22/13, Jim Osborn <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Jim Osborn <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] On the curriculum at Cedarville University in Ohio:
To: [address removed]
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 5:55 PM

They "need" it because often it is all they've ever known. Having left my belief in god when I was in my 40's I can tell you that it leaves a big hole which I have been working to fill and live with since then. Jim
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From: barbara guillette <[address removed]>
Sender: [address removed]
Date: Tue, 22 Jan[masked]:58:21 -0500
To: <[address removed]>
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Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] On the curriculum at Cedarville University in Ohio:

There is a  book, called Escape From Freedom" by Eric From and it explains this concept very well, some people, especially strong in the evangelical world and the Muslim and Jewish World cannot deal with the concept of Freedom, true human freedom, the laws and rules of the church or Mosque or Synagogue makes them feel secure, that is why the book is called "Escape from Freedom". They can't handle freedom, they do not know what to do with it and the more rules and laws makes them fear death less and the more rules and laws intensifies their security within those beliefs.. Its really a secure, insecure problem and a paranoid fear of death, and the unknown.. That is my idea of the religous ideaology and why they need it.
barbara

--- On Tue, 1/22/13, Zachary Bos <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Zachary Bos <[address removed]>
Subject: [bostonatheists] On the curriculum at Cedarville University in Ohio:
To: [address removed]
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 3:43 PM

We believe in the literal 6-day account of creation, that the creation
of man lies in the special, immediate, and formative acts of God and
not from previously existing forms of life...

We believe in the imminent "Blessed Hope," the Rapture of the church
before the tribulation, when the "Lord shall descend from heaven" to
catch up His bride to meet Him in the air and "so shall we ever be
with the Lord."...

We believe in the literal, bodily resurrection of the crucified Lord,
His ascension into heaven, His present life there as our High Priest
and Advocate, and His personal, bodily, visible return to the earth at
the end of the tribulation to establish His millennial kingdom on
earth, and to reign as the only Potentate, the King of Kings, and Lord
of Lords.

_ _

And so on, ad nauseum. From
https://www.cedarville.edu/Job-Openings/Doctrinal-Statement.aspx, via
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/01/22/several-controversies-converge-ohio-baptist-college
and
http://gawker.com/5977948/the-ludicrous-mythology-that-christian-colleges-teach-as-fact.



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