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RE: [bostonatheists] interesting discussion

From: Eric N.
Sent on: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:42 AM

Ken,

 

I think your allowing yourself some kind of premature ‘victory’ lap is a bit childish. If you want to have a discussion, fine, but please stop with the underhanded remarks. It’s really the only ‘invalidation’ going on here and it’s from you to yourself, in my opinion.

 

We have opposing perspectives on some cultural observations – that’s all. Where you still see racism, I see the continued oppression and disregard of the lower class that’s regardless of race. A mistake that I believe is quite easy and common since throughout history the lower class is usually artificially assembled from a homogenous population. Think of the ghettos with the Jews; the streets of New York during the Irish immigration period; and Brooklyn with blacks during the 60’s. My point was just that as time has progressed that homogeneous population is exactly not that anymore. It’s a compendium of many ethnicities – some of which white – that are experiencing the same oppression and under lamentation. The only concluding comment I can give considering that this point is quite obviously totally rejected by you, which is fine btw everyone has their opinion, is that if your remark that ‘microaggressions come in the form of microinvalidations’ is any indication, your basically of the mind that ‘point out any perceived flaws in my opinion and you must be a racist enemy’. Which, again, is totally fine if anyone on this board wants to have that opinion of me, that’s ok, but I don’t think it’s a very constructive attitude.

No hard feelings Ken, I’ll keep on showing support for disenfranchised populations - blacks included but not by themselves.

-Eric

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of kenneth a. thomas
Sent: Tuesday, August 20,[masked]:25 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] interesting discussion

 

Eric, maybe your taking things a little too personal.

Or as Dr. Lloyd Sheldon Johnson's research suggests. Microaggressions come in the form of microinvalidations.

And or lets have an impersonal discussion, and believe it was worthwhile, and fulfilling. Which in my estimate is unlikely.

Best regards Ken.

From: Eric Newbury <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20,[masked]:55 PM
Subject: RE: [bostonatheists] interesting discussion

 

Ken,

 

I think you might be taking some things a little too personal here, and I think just about everyone is of the mind that this horse is officially mash potatoes, so I think this is a good time to conclude.

 

Regards,

Eric

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of kenneth a. thomas
Sent: Tuesday, August 20,[masked]:43 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] interesting discussion

 

Hello Eric how are you?

What is a good emotional measure of the experience of White supremacy racism on Black peoples?

Expend a little more of your effort trying to determine that, and find out if you reach the same, or even a similar conclusion, as your current one.

Best regards, Ken.

From: Eric Newbury <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Monday, August 19,[masked]:44 AM
Subject: RE: [bostonatheists] interesting discussion

 

I’m sure all those things compel people into ideologies, but I’d say it’s a peer induced coercion and intimidation as appose to some external influence. The poorer classes usually assign themselves to a deity of some kind. Maybe not Russia during the late 19th century, though.

I have no idea. Again, I’d say that you should look at the problem from a socio-economic question as appose to just ‘black males’. Prejudices against lower classes in general usually are used as false positives for racism.

Sorry, Lorraine, I did try to move the discussion in a direction that’s more pertinent to atheism, with some success, maybe.

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of kenneth a. thomas
Sent: Monday, August 19,[masked]:19 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: [bostonatheists] interesting discussion

 

Eric, you ask why are blacks so religous? My answer is, violence, coercion, and intimadation, are persistently applied, to compel blacks in that direction.

Eric do you doubt that black males have a harder time that most others becoming, professional physicist, chemist, engineers, and mathematicians?

Here's why, below.

Systemic Racism: A Theory of Oppression, by Joe Feagin.

Racist America.

Living With Racism. 

Categorically Unequal: The American Stratification System, By Douglas Massey

American Aparteid.

Be well, and best regards, Ken.

 





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