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RE: [bostonatheists] "No real rational basis to opposing benefits of family planning..."

From: Eric N.
Sent on: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:42 AM

I’d say that’s both an interesting and self-defeating idea, though. I don’t know what I’d say about a genetic predisposition to be able to make ‘better’ decisions since those decisions would still be a product of some chance/mental wiring and you can’t help how your brain fires off electrical impulses – they just happen. Also, I’d say that the notion of ‘better’ or ‘worse’ decisions aren’t a factor in a discussion of free will since it’s not a criteria. All that is needed is that the decision’s genesis is strictly ‘yours’. Whatever that means. So, short answer – I don’t know.

 

I think in general, though, a ‘freethinking’ decision can easily be chalked up to different influences. For instance, if you’re the second generation of an immigrant family, once you are influenced by peers as appose to family, you don’t have an accent. Considering this, is it possible that even though you didn’t have the influence from your family, that the interaction you had with peers, both face to face and through media, allowed you to align yourself with a different ideology. That would still give you the current ‘software’ you have now that informs your ‘decisions’.

 

I think, overall, that my conflict is if we should even call this fact into question. Because once you compromise our philosophy of freewill, will everything be seen stripped of any ‘responsibility’, thus destroying most social infrastructures we have in place.

 

Just so everyone will REALLY hate me, lol, I could also call in to question ethics as a non-existence thing as well. (Only bringing it up cause the Nazi point).

 

TDA

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Deb Bobbinhead
Sent: Thursday, August 22,[masked]:18 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] "No real rational basis to opposing benefits of family planning..."

 

To eric. I think some people are genetically more able to make decisions.  Do u think one can learn to make decisions? I decided as a child to be atheistic despite my family culture. Others are followers from birth. So the question is whether there are moral leaders for them to follow. How about the French Huguenots during WWII occupation?  ministers got entire villages to take in Jewish children and thereby risk Nazi retaliation.  Followers. Decisions - most don't really make them. IMHO

Den

 


On Aug 22, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Eric Newbury <[address removed]> wrote:

I’d still say that it’s still possible that having ‘fat’ genes was a thing, just that it was more complicated than we might think. I only say that because, from the little I know of genetics, a lot of genetic ‘predisposition’ is basically that regulatory genes are activated and de-activated in multiple ways, many of which environmental. But the fact –might-- still be that having the extra regulatory genes that can become activated in the first place would be set up a genetic predisposition to obesity. Essentially harboring the same notion of being ‘genetically’ fat, but only slightly skewing the abstraction to reading ‘higher potential of being fat’.

 

Speaking to some basic principles in philosophy, are there any atheists here that are of the mind that our concept of ‘free will’ is fundamentally flawed? What room is there for philosophy, and religion specifically, to proselytize to us about our individual fallings in almost ANY regard as we find more a more how little human behavior is governed by our own ‘decisions’. And if that’s possible, what right do we have to even things like a simple concept of a ‘justice’ system.

 

Regards,

The Devil’s Advocate

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Catherine Caldwell-Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 21,[masked]:20 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] "No real rational basis to opposing benefits of family planning..."

 

 

On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:47 PM, "kenneth a. thomas" <[address removed]>

 wrote:

 

Are they fat because of their genes, primarialy? Or from other influences?

 

Few people are fat primarily because of their genes.  Before agriculture, it was basically impossible to become fat.  Obesity was rare before the 20th century. 

 

I do feel bad for fat people, just like I feel bad for black people.   It is in our collective power to change the environment so that few children grow up to be fat, and so that African Americans can grow up with the intellectual curiosity and ability to win the Nobel prize in proportion to their representation in the population.   

 

For African Americas, I advocate a serious reparations programs to correct historical and ongoing injustice.  This will be most helpful in conjunction with an end to overseas wars and renewed commitment for this country to take up the battle that really matters:  the war on poverty.   To remedy the obesity epidemic, I advocate transitioning from capitalism to an economic system in which businesses are only granted charters to conduct business if they serve the public good; which can be decided by NIH style peer review programs.  On this model, junk food will disappear from convenience stores to be purchased only in specialized sweet shops (where ingredients contain no trans fats and other obesity causing agents).   Etc.  Dream with me!

 

 

Catherine

 





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