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Re: [bostonatheists] "No real rational basis to opposing benefits of family planning..."

From: karina
Sent on: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:47 PM
& we shant do EVERYTHING possible to decrease % of population NOT able to make decisions as well????

Deb Bobbinhead <[address removed]> wrote:

To eric. I think some people are genetically more able to make decisions.  Do u think one can learn to make decisions? I decided as a child to be atheistic despite my family culture. Others are followers from birth. So the question is whether there are moral leaders for them to follow. How about the French Huguenots during WWII occupation?  ministers got entire villages to take in Jewish children and thereby risk Nazi retaliation.  Followers. Decisions - most don't really make them. IMHO

Den


On Aug 22, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Eric Newbury <[address removed]> wrote:

I’d still say that it’s still possible that having ‘fat’ genes was a thing, just that it was more complicated than we might think. I only say that because, from the little I know of genetics, a lot of genetic ‘predisposition’ is basically that regulatory genes are activated and de-activated in multiple ways, many of which environmental. But the fact –might-- still be that having the extra regulatory genes that can become activated in the first place would be set up a genetic predisposition to obesity. Essentially harboring the same notion of being ‘genetically’ fat, but only slightly skewing the abstraction to reading ‘higher potential of being fat’.

 

Speaking to some basic principles in philosophy, are there any atheists here that are of the mind that our concept of ‘free will’ is fundamentally flawed? What room is there for philosophy, and religion specifically, to proselytize to us about our individual fallings in almost ANY regard as we find more a more how little human behavior is governed by our own ‘decisions’. And if that’s possible, what right do we have to even things like a simple concept of a ‘justice’ system.

 

Regards,

The Devil’s Advocate

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Catherine Caldwell-Harris
Sent: Wednesday, August 21,[masked]:20 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [bostonatheists] "No real rational basis to opposing benefits of family planning..."

 

 

On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:47 PM, "kenneth a. thomas" <[address removed]>

 wrote:



Are they fat because of their genes, primarialy? Or from other influences?

 

Few people are fat primarily because of their genes.  Before agriculture, it was basically impossible to become fat.  Obesity was rare before the 20th century. 

 

I do feel bad for fat people, just like I feel bad for black people.   It is in our collective power to change the environment so that few children grow up to be fat, and so that African Americans can grow up with the intellectual curiosity and ability to win the Nobel prize in proportion to their representation in the population.   

 

For African Americas, I advocate a serious reparations programs to correct historical and ongoing injustice.  This will be most helpful in conjunction with an end to overseas wars and renewed commitment for this country to take up the battle that really matters:  the war on poverty.   To remedy the obesity epidemic, I advocate transitioning from capitalism to an economic system in which businesses are only granted charters to conduct business if they serve the public good; which can be decided by NIH style peer review programs.  On this model, junk food will disappear from convenience stores to be purchased only in specialized sweet shops (where ingredients contain no trans fats and other obesity causing agents).   Etc.  Dream with me!

 

 

Catherine

 





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