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Fwd: Atheist Spirituality? Sam Harris & Our New Assistant Chaplain, This Week - Jim B. Sep 30, 2014 1:50 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Josiah, Dennis K. Sep 29, 2014 1:08 PM
Re: Asking about the theme of Stories at this weekend's Sunday Assembly - Many thanks to Chris Hazel, John James McCargar, Miko Dimov et all for their suggestions. I've folded all these into BOMP! No. 1 (the "Better/Often/More Pamphlet" series), available for download at Zachary B. Sep 28, 2014 7:47 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - So: would people like the idea of making the conference theme for DiscCon 2015 in Boston gender inclusiveness? DISC = "Diversity in Secular Communities."  If you're interested in joining and/or pulling toge Zachary B. Sep 28, 2014 1:00 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - As someone who considers himself a feminist male, I heartily endorse the idea of convening such a discussion. Jim Hollomon On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Jim H. Sep 28, 2014 12:57 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Dennis,  This is a great idea. Lets have a big meeting called "Should we or should we not discuss the mistreatment of women? Subtitle: Misogyny, is it fake, or just unimportant?"  I agree the interest w Josiah Sep 28, 2014 12:13 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Would welcome just such a conversation in person, Zak! Especially if it included sharing ideas about how Dennis K. Sep 28, 2014 11:13 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] Sexist comments directed at men - Preview not available Raja Sep 27, 2014 9:04 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] Sexist comments directed at men - Eric N. Sep 26, 2014 3:45 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] Sexist comments directed at men - Preview not available Catherine C. Sep 26, 2014 3:23 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - ok, stop poking each other's heart.  http://happyplace.someecards.c­om/cute-kids/a-boy-has-an-inte­nse Paul Sep 26, 2014 1:22 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Pardon my last message, Dennis. I was pretty irritated by your response, and I responded in an irritated way.  I'm now going to bow out of this thread now (the ghost of the dead horse pleads mercy), but if ever Zachary B. Sep 26, 2014 1:15 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Preview not available Paul G. B. Sep 26, 2014 1:05 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Thank you for mansplaining it. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Dennis Keller < [address removed] > Zachary B. Sep 26, 2014 12:54 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Hilarious!! Reflexively, you again make the very mistake I describe! Dennis K. Sep 26, 2014 12:53 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - "Let's stop coddling and condescending to women..." Because making a deliberate effort to be respectful, sensitive, and inclusive is an act of condescension. It sounds an awful like you're arguing only t Zachary B. Sep 26, 2014 12:26 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Dennis K. Sep 26, 2014 12:23 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - This holiday season, give the gift of naturalism. #takebacktherite On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Yesim Erez  < SCMA Sep 26, 2014 11:44 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Hi There's always a reason to celebrate when people want to give us gifts:). Yesim Erez On Sep Yesim E. Sep 26, 2014 11:41 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Hello atheist, secular community, how are you? Once I started identifying as a kenneth a. t. Sep 26, 2014 11:30 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] atheists should be all about making EVERY day a 'day of awe'? - Hello Cathrine how are you? kenneth a. t. Sep 26, 2014 11:06 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Love me some Dar. I have "Christians and the Pagans" on my gym mix. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Don Lubin < SCMA Sep 26, 2014 8:56 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - I hope so, because I'm getting a bit tired of always paying for dinner. #TrueTroll -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Don Lubin Sent: Friday, September 26,[masked]:51 Eric N. Sep 26, 2014 8:55 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Eric, no one needs to defend me, but I'm at work and I can't spend all my time making detailed answers.  Though probably a joke, that particular statement fell flat. On Fri Bethany Sep 26, 2014 8:53 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - I agree that sexism tries to confine us to specific roles, whoever we are. I moved during seventh grade to a new town, home, school. One period at school would be either home economics or mechanical drawing. I chose home economics, partly because I'd Don L. Sep 26, 2014 8:50 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Eric N. Sep 26, 2014 8:47 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Thanks for explaining; it makes a difference. I still think you owe me a beer, though. #guiltisaninstrumentofjustice On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Eric N Zachary B. Sep 26, 2014 8:26 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Eric N. Sep 26, 2014 8:24 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about. The barb I feel, though.  For not the first time: I welcome conversation. There's no need for there to be antagonism as well. It's *anti-social*. Mailing Zachary B. Sep 26, 2014 8:19 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Eric N. Sep 26, 2014 8:16 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - <<The one part of the culture war of feminism that I’ve found pretty entertaining is the pretty blatant sexism towards men that, I’ll preface this obviously as ‘sometimes’ being an undercurrent’, the Zachary B. Sep 26, 2014 8:09 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Eric N. Sep 26, 2014 7:56 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Eric, Sexism directed at men is like racism directed at white people: it may exist, but because white people and men occupy positions of power in society, they suffer many fewer disadvantages due to prejudice than do memb Bethany Sep 26, 2014 7:45 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - " What are your thoughts on comments on sexism that’s focused at men?" Zachary B. Sep 26, 2014 7:38 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Eric N. Sep 26, 2014 7:23 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Thank you for the kind words.  Please feel free to cut and paste my comment on the internet as you see fit, keeping the context correct, of course! On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:47 Bethany Sep 25, 2014 9:08 PM
Asking about the theme of Stories at this weekend's Sunday Assembly - Dear BAers: The organizers of Sunday Assembly Boston (a.k.a. the Hub's Godless Congregation) have invited all of us to their 7th Assembly since their launch last fall. This is a special once, since in Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 6:12 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Great post, Bethany! Bob Sep 25, 2014 5:46 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Isn't one of the joys of being an atheist that you can share and enjoy the secular aspects of cultures, your own and others, as informed by an enlightened, humanist point of view?  I enjoy the celebration of Jenni K Sep 25, 2014 11:24 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - " We're all clever, thoughtful people who share a common dis-interest." Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 11:14 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - It may be that the horse is good and dead; shall we let the sleeping dog (read: dead horse?) lie? The question of whether and how atheists should take ownership of originally religious practices (#takebacktherite) is an i Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 11:12 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Preview not available Paul G. B. Sep 25, 2014 11:07 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Hi Guys, Please! This is too much. I've received at least 50 emails on what was most likely a harmless Casey T. Sep 25, 2014 11:07 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Thanks, Turner.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it: most importantly the unfair strategy of labeling as antisemitism any criticism of Judaism, but also Zachary's bias in calling things out. But to be Dan Sep 25, 2014 11:02 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - So he admonished Dan without knowing what Dan was replying to? Can't say that sounds any better to me. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM, John McCargar < Turner Sep 25, 2014 11:01 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Turner, Benefit of the doubt maybe?  We're all on the same side here.  "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by [incompetence]," as it were.  I can't speak for Zak, but I frequ John M. Sep 25, 2014 10:53 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - " So you had time to admonish Dan, for his response, but not Paul for the post Dan was directly replying to? Color me unconvi Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 10:50 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - So you had time to admonish Dan, for his response, but not Paul for the post Dan was directly replying to? Color me unconvinced. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Zachary Bos Turner Sep 25, 2014 10:46 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - If I overlooked something, it's telling only that mine is an unpaid, part-time position.  (Point of practice: in the case of outright bigotry or other unwelcome behavior, most interventions happen off-list.) Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 10:41 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - I think it's quite telling, Zachary, that you admonished Dan for calling Paul out on his straw man, but apparently had no issues with Paul all but calling Dan an antisemite. If we're talking about "advanc[ing] conversation" Turner Sep 25, 2014 10:38 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Probably the best post I ever read in this group. Thank you, Bethany. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:18 PM, " Raja Sep 25, 2014 10:01 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Eric N. Sep 25, 2014 9:32 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - " I believe there’s still very powerful notions to be taken from it. I don’t wish to throw out the baby with the bathwater.&qu SCMA Sep 25, 2014 9:28 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Eric N. Sep 25, 2014 9:26 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - <<Ugh.  I was not saying it to score a point!  I was pointing out that Paul was attacking a ridiculous straw man and ignor Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 9:15 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Ugh.  I was not saying it to score a point!  I was pointing out that Paul was attacking a ridiculous straw man and ignoring what I was really trying to say.  It's extremely frustrating when someone does that.  I wasn't clai Dan Sep 25, 2014 9:11 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - On the subject of people sending awesome emails: this is awesome, Bethany. I'm going to be spreading this around this on social media, if that's alright with you: Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 9:10 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Welcome to the list, Jerry. I hope you stick around, and don't go back to lurking. Because this response of yours is all kinds of awesome. Cheers, Z Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 9:04 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - So I'm going to preface this by noting that I'm a noob on this list, have not attended any events yet in person etc, so feel free to qualify the be user 9. Sep 25, 2014 8:56 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 8:33 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - I second everything William Sweeney just said. And Zachary, I feel that you use your moderator hat with significant bias.  I was using the word "point" like "the point of what I was saying".  I have Dan Sep 25, 2014 8:27 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - " So, you know, it did not seem at all like a secular observance at all.  My bad.&q Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 8:24 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - From Zac William J S. Sep 25, 2014 8:19 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - <<putting on moderator hat>> Ripostes like " Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 8:19 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Paul: are you kidding me?  That's one hell of a straw man.  I never implied anything like a "personal jew-o-meter"; I thought it was implied that I was talking about  self-proclaimed  Jewish Atheists, because, you k Dan Sep 25, 2014 8:17 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - I admit I can't understand why you persist in calling a secular observance "religious", but if you feel you have to withdraw, I can only say that I hope you find a safer space. I'd hoped this mailing list was one -- and ce Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 7:34 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Thank you for that explanation Zachary.  As I had thought that this list would be one of the few places where I could expect not to have to hear about religious nonsense, I will accordingly remove myself from the list. Juli Julie C. Sep 25, 2014 7:31 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - "... it was that the entire purpose of the post was to inform us all of the occurrence of the holiday." Well sure; what's wrong with that? There are many secular Jews in our crowd that celebrate this holida Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 7:18 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Once again, my objection was not to him identifying as a Jewish atheist, it was that the entire purpose of the post was to inform us all of the occurrence of the holiday. Julie On Sep 25,[masked] Julie C. Sep 25, 2014 7:10 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - " But why should we, as atheists, have to be involved." Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 6:46 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - 《If a bunch of atheists who have appropriated their Jewish cultural heritage for their own secular purposes want to make a Jewish holiday their own, why not? 》 Exactly,  they can celebrate whatever they want.  But why Julie C. Sep 25, 2014 6:43 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - << If your culture includes a god, and you want to be a serious part of that culture, then you are not atheist. By definitio Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 6:20 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] announcing religious holidays here - Not a bad idea, McCoy. Our sadly underutilized boards are at  http://www.meetup.com/bostonat­heists/messages/boards/. .. go and give them some love, Zachary B. Sep 25, 2014 5:56 AM
RE: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Women and men are the same. Fix it. If your culture includes a god, and you want to be a serious part of that c Chris Sep 25, 2014 3:39 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Preview not available Paul G. B. Sep 25, 2014 2:18 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - It's not at all the same thing as Christmas.  Christmas is a very unique case.  Do you have friends, family members, and even coworkers trying to guilt you into going to church for Christmas Mass?  Even when some of them are ath Dan Sep 25, 2014 12:33 AM
Re: [bostonatheists] announcing religious holidays here - I think it may be time to move this to the discussion board, as Zach would say.  Regardless, I hope everyone has a great day tomorrow (and every day). God bless us everyone! (joke!) McCoy Sep 24, 2014 11:57 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Many of us take part in Christmas celebrations, so I don't see the double standard. Also, there have long been lots of atheist Jews. Why would an atheist have any issues with them? The David M Sep 24, 2014 11:36 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] announcing religious holidays here - I'm not the OP, but the OP, Jim Brinning, said " Jon Sep 24, 2014 11:33 PM
RE: [bostonatheists] announcing religious holidays here - It is nothing like that. Why would it be like that? Why would you insert an insult where he made none? Why is this being dragged into the gutter of defensiveness? David M Sep 24, 2014 11:33 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - " Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are not cultural holidays, they're religious holidays." Zachary B. Sep 24, 2014 11:32 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are not cultural holidays, they're religious holidays.  If you want to celebrate them without believing in the religion that's fine, but let's call a spade a spade.  Religious holidays are religiou Dan Sep 24, 2014 11:26 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] announcing religious holidays here - Hey Scott, what's up? "I' m still puzzled why the original poster decided to p Zachary B. Sep 24, 2014 10:21 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - I think too, you have to consider the intent of the sender. I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt and assume goodness and that the original Meira Sep 24, 2014 10:15 PM
atheists should be all about making EVERY day a 'day of awe'? - On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Zacha Catherine C. Sep 24, 2014 9:29 PM
announcing religious holidays here - I have been deleting 90% of these emails. I'm still puzzled why the original poster decided to post information about a religious holiday here? IMHO, it's kind of like going in to a religious ceremony and announcing "you're all welcome to come to ou Scott Sep 24, 2014 9:18 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - I think it's a matter of cultural ties. No one in my family is particularly religious but we still feel it is important to maintain our cultural id Erica G. Sep 24, 2014 8:56 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Now that's really rude! On Sep 24,[masked]:11 PM, "David M" < [address removed] > wrote: Julie C. Sep 24, 2014 8:03 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - If we look for things to insult us, we can find them. Even in the most mundane thi David M Sep 24, 2014 7:10 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] TAKE HER TO THE EXPLAINING ROOM - Okay, bros (and I say that because you are all replying from stereotypically male-named e-mail accounts).  I am a woman.  I am an atheist.  I don't go to atheist meetups anymore because a key part of my athei Bethany Sep 24, 2014 5:17 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - " If I enter a temple for an event, I don't start advertising my atheism.  It's about being respectful of the people Zachary B. Sep 24, 2014 5:00 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] A place for atheism - Just to be clear, I was not commenting on the poster's identity,  merely his choice to announce a religious holiday on an atheist list.    If I enter a temple for an event, I don't start advertising my atheism.� Julie C. Sep 24, 2014 4:59 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] L'Shana Tova! - I also love Christmas, nice shared moments with family, good food... however my family is not very religious. My brother in law is Muslim and he spends Christmas with us, sometime his parents join us because they don't have the habit of Paul Sep 24, 2014 4:54 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] L'Shana Tova! - Had to share this, Paul:  https://www.facebook.com/group­s/bostonatheists/permalink/101­52449220812108/ Zachary B. Sep 24, 2014 4:52 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] L'Shana Tova! - Preview not available Paul G. B. Sep 24, 2014 4:44 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] L'Shana Tova! - Welcome back, Don. Glad to see you. Zachary B. Sep 24, 2014 4:42 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] L'Shana Tova! - And most of them were astronomical / agricultural / pagan holidays long before they were co-opted /usurped by major religions. On 9/24/2014 4:30 PM, Robert Morris wrote: > I'm with the group that sees nothing wrong with it. Though the practices > a Don L. Sep 24, 2014 4:42 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] L'Shana Tova! - If atheists need a dogma, I'd like to propose that it be: "Let us chill out and have some snacks." Zachary B. Sep 24, 2014 4:41 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] L'Shana Tova! - user 9. Sep 24, 2014 4:32 PM
Re: [bostonatheists] L'Shana Tova! - Hear, hear, Robert. Proposed campaign slogan: "Take Back the Rite." On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Robert Morris < Zachary B. Sep 24, 2014 4:31 PM

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