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Status regarding the Palestinians receiving full independent statehood

Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 1,929
This forum topic is about the status regarding the Palestinians receiving full independent statehood. An interesting proposal is called An Open Letter To President Abbas – OpEd. What also is interesting is the opinion article called "Palestinian unity likely to be real this time.
Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 1,934
Here is an article called "Palestine's UN upgrade coming back on EU agenda". An exciting development that it mentions is that in the next Palestinian election, not only will votes be counted of Palestinians living in Palestine, but also of Palestinian refugees in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria! That is great news because it gives more authority to the results of the Palestinian elections! Remember, the PLO represents all Palestinians living anywhere in the world, not just those living in Palestine. The article mentions that Souheil Natour, a legal scholar and a senior politician in the Palestine Liberation Organisation, provided the following information:

The article says "He noted that the elections will count votes from Palestinians in Israeli-occupied Gaza and the West Bank, as well as mass numbers of Palestinian refugees in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria - an act of defiance against Israel, which says the exiles can never come back because it would destroy the idea of Israel as a homeland for Jewish people."

"Natour added that after elections Palestine will seek a vote in the UN General Assembly (UNGA) to upgrade its status from "non-voting organisation" to "non-voting state." "
Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 1,941
Here is a Jerusalem Post news article called "Abbas to send 'mother of all letters' to Netanyahu" and it has the subtitle of "PA president writing letter on future of the peace process, set to blame Israel for failure of Oslo Accords." One of the things that the article mentions is that "The Palestinian leadership is scheduled to hold a meeting in Ramallah on Wednesday to discuss the content of the letter, which will also be sent to the UN secretary-general."

Here is a Jerusalem Post news article called "'No political differences between Fatah, Hamas'" and it has the subtitle of "Palestinian Authority president says the two parties have reached agreement on joint political platform, truce with Israel."
Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 1,970
The Haaretz news article called "Abbas to Netanyahu: Respond favorably to our peace plan or we return to UN " says that Abbas will give Netanyahu about a month to respond to Abbas' requirements for negotiating a peace plan, otherwise he will "... resume the UN process and ask the UN General Assembly to receive the status of a nonmember state." Getting Palestine to become a nonmember state at the UN is something which would likely happen if he requested it from the UN General Assembly (since he already has the support of enough member countries and since no one can veto the vote in that matter) and it would be an upgrade of Palestine's current observer nonmember nonstate status in the General Assembly. The upgrade would be very important to the Palestinians because the UN's International Criminal Court (ICC) recently said that Palestine does not yet qualify to apply for member ship to the ICC, since Palestine does not have state status (whether as a full member or as a nonmember) in the UN General Assembly. The prior paragraph of the news article says "Abbas said he would not wait until after the U.S. presidential elections in November, which he said U.S. administration officials had requested, before asking the UN General Assembly to upgrade the Palestinian Authority from "observer" status to that of a state without full membership in the United Nations."

Regarding the ICC statement which says that Palestine could join the ICC if Palestine obtains nonmember state status at the US, see "AP Interview: Ocampo discusses Palestinians on ICC ". That article says "The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor said Wednesday the war crimes tribunal would allow the Palestinians to sign up if the U.N. General Assembly approves a resolution recognizing Palestine as a non-member observer state." The article also says "Moreno-Ocampo said in an interview with The Associated Press that becoming a U.N. nonmember observer state would be the easiest path for Palestine to become a party to the Rome Statute which established the court. Palestine is a permanent observer at the U.N., which is one step behind a nonmember observer state. ... If the secretary-general has doubts, or if there is controversy, the practice is to request the guidance of the General Assembly and the secretary-general will follow the guidance of the 193-member world body, he [that is, Moreno-Ocampo] said."
Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 2,108
The Haaretz news article called "Abbas to Netanyahu: Respond favorably to our peace plan or we return to UN " says that Abbas will give Netanyahu about a month to respond to Abbas' requirements for negotiating a peace plan, otherwise he will "... resume the UN process and ask the UN General Assembly to receive the status of a nonmember state." Getting Palestine to become a nonmember state at the UN is something which would likely happen if he requested it from the UN General Assembly (since he already has the support of enough member countries and since no one can veto the vote in that matter) and it would be an upgrade of Palestine's current observer nonmember nonstate status in the General Assembly. The upgrade would be very important to the Palestinians because the UN's International Criminal Court (ICC) recently said that Palestine does not yet qualify to apply for member ship to the ICC, since Palestine does not have state status (whether as a full member or as a nonmember) in the UN General Assembly. The prior paragraph of the news article says "Abbas said he would not wait until after the U.S. presidential elections in November, which he said U.S. administration officials had requested, before asking the UN General Assembly to upgrade the Palestinian Authority from "observer" status to that of a state without full membership in the United Nations."

Regarding the ICC statement which says that Palestine could join the ICC if Palestine obtains nonmember state status at the US, see "AP Interview: Ocampo discusses Palestinians on ICC ". That article says "The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor said Wednesday the war crimes tribunal would allow the Palestinians to sign up if the U.N. General Assembly approves a resolution recognizing Palestine as a non-member observer state." The article also says "Moreno-Ocampo said in an interview with The Associated Press that becoming a U.N. nonmember observer state would be the easiest path for Palestine to become a party to the Rome Statute which established the court. Palestine is a permanent observer at the U.N., which is one step behind a nonmember observer state. ... If the secretary-general has doubts, or if there is controversy, the practice is to request the guidance of the General Assembly and the secretary-general will follow the guidance of the 193-member world body, he [that is, Moreno-Ocampo] said."

The occupied state of Palestine is following through on their promise to pursue UN General Assembly status as a nonmember state, and like usual the Obama administration is working very hard against Palestine's UN efforts. See the Guardian news article called "US warns European governments against supporting Palestinians at UN" for more information. How many people still think there are more than a few major differences between the actual policies of elected Democratic Party federal politicians and the actual policies of elected Republican Party federal politicians? The way I see it, on the political issues which matter the most to me, I see very little benefit in me voting for Obama instead of for Romney (or vice versa). Thus, I will be voting for Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein instead.
Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 2,119
The Palestinians have now circulated a copy of a draft resolution for their obtaining statehood status in the UN General Assembly. See the news article called Palestinians seek new U.N. status as observer state for more information. See also a page of the Inner City Press website which has a copy of the draft resolution posted here.

The Jerusalem Post has an excellent news article called "Fatah: Oslo Accords will cease to exist after UN bid. It reveals an excellent strategy some of the Palestinian leadership is saying will be used after Palestine obtains statehood status in the UN, including how it will deal with potential sanctions by Israel.
Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 2,124
The Palestinians have now circulated a copy of a draft resolution for their obtaining statehood status in the UN General Assembly. See the news article called Palestinians seek new U.N. status as observer state for more information. See also a page of the Inner City Press website which has a copy of the draft resolution posted here.

The Jerusalem Post has an excellent news article called "Fatah: Oslo Accords will cease to exist after UN bid. It reveals an excellent strategy some of the Palestinian leadership is saying will be used after Palestine obtains statehood status in the UN, including how it will deal with potential sanctions by Israel.


The wording of the draft resolution specifies a Palestinian state in the pre-1967 Arab borders, but that wording is broad enough to not merely being limited to just the borders of 1949-1967 (in between the two wars) but can also be interpreted as referring to the borders (plus East Jerusalem) affirmed in the UN resolution which called for a an Arab state. It might could even be interpreted at referring to the British Mandate for Palestine (prior to the UN partition plan resolution which called for dividing Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state). But the draft resolution also calls for the final borders of the Palestinian state to be determined by negotiations with Israel. Thus there is no immediate threat to Israel's 1949-1966 borders. Interestingly when Israel was admitted as a state in the UN, the Israeli resolution made reference only to the borders mentioned for a Jewish state in accordance with the earlier UN resolution which called for establishing a Jewish state.
There is great news: Palestinian UN observer state bid on 29 November and Palestinian leadership rejects Obama's appeal to delay UN recognition move!
Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 2,126
The Palestinians have now circulated a copy of a draft resolution for their obtaining statehood status in the UN General Assembly. See the news article called Palestinians seek new U.N. status as observer state for more information. See also a page of the Inner City Press website which has a copy of the draft resolution posted here.

The Jerusalem Post has an excellent news article called "Fatah: Oslo Accords will cease to exist after UN bid. It reveals an excellent strategy some of the Palestinian leadership is saying will be used after Palestine obtains statehood status in the UN, including how it will deal with potential sanctions by Israel.


The wording of the draft resolution specifies a Palestinian state in the pre-1967 Arab borders, but that wording is broad enough to not merely being limited to just the borders of 1949-1967 (in between the two wars) but can also be interpreted as referring to the borders (plus East Jerusalem) affirmed in the UN resolution which called for a an Arab state. It might could even be interpreted at referring to the British Mandate for Palestine (prior to the UN partition plan resolution which called for dividing Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state). But the draft resolution also calls for the final borders of the Palestinian state to be determined by negotiations with Israel. Thus there is no immediate threat to Israel's 1949-1966 borders. Interestingly when Israel was admitted as a state in the UN, the Israeli resolution made reference only to the borders mentioned for a Jewish state in accordance with the earlier UN resolution which called for establishing a Jewish state.

There is great news: Palestinian UN observer state bid on 29 November and Palestinian leadership rejects Obama's appeal to delay UN recognition move!

A commentary article called "Palestinians' UN Bid for Observer State Status: Will It Advance Or Stifle the Peace Process?" says 'One other significant point that could undermine the Palestinians' draft resolution to the U.N. is the phrase that relates to the delineated borders on which to base the negotiations. In three different passages, the document "affirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their state of Palestine on the basis of the pre-1967 borders." This particular phrasing is especially troubling to many EU members as it could also mean going back to the UN partition plans of 1947, which is a non-starter. A top Palestinian official told me that this could readily be amended to read instead, "the June 4th cease fire line of 1967," which is universally accepted as the basis for any future peace negotiations.'

The Jerusalem Post has an article called "PA president: Statehood bid to go forward Nov. 29".

See also this article.
Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 2,133
France has now publically stated they will vote in favor of the Palestinian statehood resolution at the UN this week. The vote is expected to take place on Thursday the 29th or possibly the next day. Here is one of many articles on the latest developments.
Gavin
Atheistic-ExJW
Beaverton, OR
Post #: 2,134
France has now publically stated they will vote in favor of the Palestinian statehood resolution at the UN this week. The vote is expected to take place on Thursday the 29th or possibly the next day. Here is one of many articles on the latest developments.

Now Norway, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria and Denmark have also said they will vote in favor of the Palestinian statehood resolution at the UN this week. See the news article called "Norway supports Palestinians at UN" for more information. The article called "Support grows for Palestinian status upgrade at UN" says "Germany said it would not vote in favour of the bid while Britain said it would abstain unless the Palestinians committed not to petition the ICC and pledged an immediate return to negotiations with Israel." Australia has said it will abstain.
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