Re: [brights-281] Don't think you can define Methodists as a cult - from Wikipedia.

From: Larry O.
Sent on: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:56 PM

I guess its progress - my mother and father were married in an evangelical service when they eloped and then my mom went through classes and became a Catholic - my sister was baptized.

Then my dad converted to Baptist and became a minister. 

My Sister is now an evangelical minister/evangelist.

I sang with the Lutheran/Episcopalian(Church of England) seminary for several years.

I've sung in Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Catholic, Community and Church

 of Christ, Scientist services.  So far.  That I remember.

My daughter was married by my sister in one service and then we had a Hindu service (with the baby) in New Jersey.  (I got a grin out of the Brahmin when I told him I was a Yogi)

I'm an evangelical Kahbalist Yogi - Ready for your Chakra balancing and Energy healing

with the assistance of the Archangels?  (Assisted by the Reconnection and Cranial-Sacral Therapy.)  The Angels have spent too much time making sure I know they are there - I'm afraid of what they would do if I tried to deny the existence of God - They have literally shoved me into the right path before.

Out of breath yet?

Why be normal?


 
Dr Larry A. Oubre
Member, National Association of Teachers of Singing
http://LearntoSingTexas.com
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From: Athena Newsom <[address removed]>
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Sent: Friday, September 12,[masked]:47:35 PM
Subject: Re: [brights-281] Don't think you can define Methodists as a cult - from Wikipedia.

"*Cult*" typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding population considers to be outside the mainstream.
 
My fundementalist aunt in Florida refers to Catholics as a cult. And by this definition they are because the surrounding population is Baptist.
 
 
Cult
9 dictionary results for: cult
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
cult       [kuhlt] Pronunciation Key
?noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
?adjective
9. of or pertaining to a cult.
10. of, for, or attracting a small group of devotees: a cult movie.


On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:52 AM, bugpowder <[address removed]> wrote:
Look, kids!  "Troll" is also a verb.

-bug

Larry Oubre wrote:

"*Cult*" typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding population considers to be outside the mainstream.

A group's cult status begins as rumors spread of its novel belief system, its great devotions, its idiosyncratic practices, its perceived harmful or beneficial effects on members or its perceived opposition to the interests of mainstream cultures and governments. Persistent rumors may follow relatively small and recently founded religious or non-religious groups when they are perceived to engage in excessive member control or exploitation.^[/citation needed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed>/]

The issue of perception, whether notably positive or negative, is the main cause of variation in the use of "cult" as a descriptive term. In common usage, "cult" has a positive connotation for the members of devotee groups in the domains of painting, music, writing, fiction, and fashion devotees, despite or even due to the relatively low economic value of the object of art.^[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult#cite_note-0> In contrast, when used to describe new religious groups, extreme political parties, questionable therapeutic alliances and pyramidal business groups, the word usually has a negative connotation.^[2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult#cite_note-1> For this reason, most, if not all, non-fan groups that are called cults reject this label. In general, translation of the pejorative connotation from modern English to use of the same term in other languages can be misleading as they (e.g. French) may retain the original meaning.^[/citation needed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed>/]



Methodism started as a reform movement in the Church of England - mainly concerned with the
reform of alchoholism and reaching out to impoverished slum denizens.
Think we owe them some respect for that,
although I in no way endorse them or their modern proponents.   Dr Larry A. Oubre
Member, National Association of Teachers of Singing
http://LearntoSingTexas.com
[address removed]





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