Re: [ronpaul-529] Romney gone time to focus

From: Steve H.
Sent on: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:32 PM
No-just civilly in prospective Quitam actions  -Its rampant  -Institutions like Parkland are involved in massive amounts - nothing new. HuD fraud is epidemic and out of control, 30% of military spending is is pure fraud/theft. Securities fraud? What a joke -Goldman Sachs owns the SEC -Wall Street is nothing but legalized crime to transfers trillions from us to the elites - it goes on and on. Republicans are just as bad as democrats -as far as enforcement-they're all bought and owned -that's why madoff got away with his Ponzi scheme for years. Our entire society is corrupt and waiting to implode. Our media is crooked and says little if anything. We're screwed. Collapse is inevitable  -just a a matter of when.
 
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From: "David Ray" <[address removed]> 
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Received: 11/8/2012 8:08:05 PM
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But, did you ever investigate medicare fraud?

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From: Steve Heath <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-529] Romney gone time to focus
To: [address removed]
Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 7:22 PM

HHS always had federal agent/cops. I was the Chief of the Dalllas County DA Commercial /Consumer Fraud Division from 1990-1995. We had an investigative unit that investigated fraud, took cases to the grand jury and followed them through prosecution to trial , if necessary. I worked extensively on organized fraud rings with ATF on arson claims, the US Secret Service on their Nigerian Task force, the FBI on general commercial and Bank Fraud, the U.S. Postal Service  on mail fraud, and HUD agents on the incredibly massive HUD fraud. I was very, very good, because I was dedicated , worked 70 to 80 hours a week and obtained tremendous results. Other than the top notch federal and state agents I worked with , and the commercial victims  -no one gave a damn. Certainly not the elected District Attorney or Republican Judges -probably because we uncovered a tremendous amount of corruption involving them and other elected officials - my story would be fascinating for anyone interested in hearing it  -it would take quite some time. Suffice it to say that there are no shortage of federal or state agents to investigate such massive fraud - private Quitam actions are somewhat effective but are incredibly expensive for a private attorney to undertake -usually at tremendous cost and risk.  -The real problem I see is that the army of federal agents who would normally investigate and make criminal referrals for such fraud -have been reassigned to anti-terrorism units -which are pretty much useless since there are no terrorists in the US -that's why they spy on those who preach Liberty, the Constitution and support Ron Paul.
 
Google Bill Black - he explains how when he headed up S%L Crisis  bank Fraud investigation in the 80's and referred 1200 bankers for criminal prosecution and thousands more for civil actions for fraud that was 1/10 as voluminous and far less fraudulent than the Bankster fraud of the last few years  -yet not 1   -not a single criminal referral or prosecution has resulted. All the criminal investigative resources have instead been directed towards US-- Obama is the best friend the Banksters and Wall Street ever had  -yet Romney was a bankster himself, so Obama got a free ride.
 
Steve Heath


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From: "David Ray"  
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Received: 11/8/2012 6:52:15 PM
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-529] Romney gone time to focus

The main problem is there is no Medicare police to find the massive fraud. And i don't want another government entity created to do that either. Rather get a private sector organization to investigat fraud and pay them a percentage of what they find and put the Doctors in jail. It is all in how the billing is filled out for the medical service to get paid and has nothing to do with fact that the service was ever actually even performed.

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Subject: Re: [ronpaul-529] Romney gone time to focus
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Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 4:56 PM

Medicare is like insurance through the government for people over 65. They are not getting more than they put in typically. In some cases they do but some die suddenly and get nothing. Insurance pools risk some get some get nothing.

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The problem with Medicare is the bureaucracy attached to it. The is rampant fraud within the system. Medicare like insurance companies get services at a substantial discount, sometimes at a cost below the providers cost to provide.

 

Read this article I posted below, it may shed some light on your concerns. Your concerns about the expense of the system are valid,  but sacrificing the welfare of millions of the elderly its not acceptable. The system needs fixing but, reducing the quality of care and potential lose in quality of life isn't an equitable for the very same people who put a portion of their lifetime earnings into it.

 
 

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/10/19/obamneycare-converts-health-care-into-profits/

 
 
On Nov 8,[masked]:50 PM, "PirateRothbard" <[address removed]> wrote:
Sean they are entitled to everything they need? Surely you are joking. Why should the elderly get way more in benefits than they put into the system? and shouldn't a socialist system like medicare be wound or does it have to burden us forever?

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Pirate,

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Your comment is detestable and disgusting. Where is your humanity for your fellow man? I assume your for death panels too. Americans pay into Medicare their entire working lives and are entitled to receive everything they need. Medicare is not Medicaid. Not to mention all the bs regulations put on doctors and hospitals which, increase costs exponentially. Then you have the lack of tort reform which,  again increases costs of their malpractice insurance and a myriad of other expenses.

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Essentially you want to punish the folks that paid for a service with death. When their government destroyed the delivery of medicine by getting in between the producer and the consumer. High health care costs are due to big brother and the mess he has created under the auspices of protection. All government ever does is reduce efficiency and hinder production.

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Jesus said,

 
 

Love one another as I have loved you 

 
 
 
On Nov 8,[masked]:02 PM, "PirateRothbard" <[address removed]> wrote:
A lot of good targets for the freedom movement. My favorite is shrinking Medicare because the costs are exploding and so much money goes to people with a few months to live.

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On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Sean Lyons <[address removed]> wrote:

 

I agree,  increase producers and remove the non-productive government suckers. The non-productive government is a big fat tax on the producers. Regulations by their nature reduce productivity taking labor away from productive pursuits.

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On Nov 8,[masked]:37 AM, "Steve Heath" <[address removed]> wrote:
 
Right on Sean  -get rid of crony capitalism, and it's effects like outrageous overpriced healthcare costs, outrageous overpriced broken education, excessive taxation at all levels of government, outrageous overpaid government workers  -too many of which do little or nothing, and whose job it is too protect big business monopolies by strangling and destroying small businesses through excessive, destructive regulation   --get rid of these costs, and perhaps we could afford a little austerity. For now, too many Americans can barely get by, are saddled with overwhelming debt, as the last 20 years have a seen a return to feudalism with wage increases being replaced by credit limit increases, as the speculator ruling class gets obscenely richer exporting our jobs overseas and financial speculation. This country is heading towards an Arab Spring and riots in the streets if the blood sucking class of elites does not ease up from their predator vulture capitalistic practices which like the great vampire squid Goldman Sachs, are sucking the lifeblood out of humanity. When the elites destroy jobs, capital, savings and opportunity, the alternative is too often crime or welfare or starvation. If the elites will quit destroying freedom and capitalism, the 47% will have a better opportunity to make an honest living.
 
Steve Heath


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Subject: Re: [ronpaul-529] Romney gone time to focus

David,

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Instead of focusing on a austerity agenda focus your attention to our trade policy to increase our producers here in America. Having more folks paying into the system is the best solution in the long term period... Sacrificing Americans living standards in lieu of addressing the root, the so called free trade that is anything but free. 

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While your at it in your next campaign embrace liberty and your party may have a chance to win. This is all the party leaders failed calculus.

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On Nov 8,[masked]:28 AM, "David Ray" <[address removed]> wrote:
Shirley, I believe last tuesday night America became ancient Rome. The people on entitlements now or will very soon outnumber the folks paying the entitlements(tax Payers). And like Rome taxes will have to be constantly increased to pay for these people. And just like in Rome when our tax rate is through the roof and we go off that cliff Christians will revolt. It will be a hard and bloody battle i fear but Christians win in the end. I just wonder where "BRUTUS" is today! lol 

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From: shirley Kinder <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-529] Romney gone time to focus
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Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 8:07 AM

I agree...the Republican Party got what it deserved, but ......  I just hope that Obama does not take our freedoms and ruin our economy even more that You guys do Not have to take to the street (I’m too old) to HAVE the chance to accomplish the good that we have all worked for. 
 
From: Sean Lyons
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Dear Freedom Lovers,

Now that Romney is gone we can focus on our real agenda, liberty,  freedom & justice for all. I know, some of you can't see it right now, but Obama for four more  is better than the possibility of Romney for eight. We have to stay vigilant and fight for our liberty. The Republican party got what they deserved. They disenfranchised the liberty movement out of the race and lost because of it. Many will not see this as a victory but it is. The establishment made a large miscalculation, they thought they could get us to line up behind their neocon puppet. However, they now know we won't budge and get behind  their bullshit candidates who don't meet our standards.

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After the next four years of Obama and the Democrats, they will be shown as inept big government frauds. The Republicans party  had better get inline with liberty or parish.

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God Bless America...

 
 
 




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