Re: [humanism-174] X-MAS

From: Mark T.
Sent on: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:03 AM
What the general public actually celebrates on Dec. 25th is Yule! The Christ-thing was tacked on later.
 
On Dec 14,[masked]:59 AM, Beth <[address removed]> wrote:
As the majority of my friends are atheist/agnostic, and a fair amount are big fans of Seinfeld (the show), someone generally throws a party for "Festivus" around this time of year. 

Personally, I've never been a big fan of Xmas.  I think I actually hate the materialism more than the religious overtones, but it's probably more of a tie.

I've always viewed December/January as an excuse to bake things that are deliciously unhealthy, look at pretty lights and spend time with family.  I guess I associate the celebration more with the coming of a new year than with Xmas, Hanukkah, Solstice, etc. 

But yeah....I really, really dislike Christmas.

Beth

PS: It's funny that this was posted; I was thinking about the exact same question this morning.....


On Dec 14,[masked]:08 AM, Mark Tiborsky < [address removed]> wrote:
Glad you're back Michael,
 
As a free thinker in a free (?!) society, I believe that I can celebrate any holiday, in any way I wish to. That's one of the things that's so cool about being a Freethinker!
 
Think about it- there's Chanukkah, Solstice, Festivus, Christmas, Boxing Day, Kwaana, and New Year's! Not to mention Eid al-Adha on the 20th.
 
Not that I'd normally celebrate all of these, of course- but I declare that I CAN if I want, by virtue of my own free will! I just won't worship anything.
 
Christmas is fun. I view it as a tradition- the spirit of peace & giving make it worth celebrating. I've attended a few Xmas eve midnight masses- one at St. Pascal's years back had a stunningly musical beautiful performance. An ensamble of about 12, including a harp & flutes & viola, etc., played a an awesome mix of traditional tunes & religious ones. It was cool! That's as close as I get to a religious Christmas.
Mark
On Dec 13,[masked]:37 PM, Michael <[address removed]> wrote:
Happy Holidays fellow freethinkers! 

I want to know, partially for my own sake, just how should Atheists/Agnostics partake in the holiday season?  For the last three years I have abstained from celebrating Christmas as an Atheist, but now I am starting change my mind.  I happen to love this time of the year.  I love the festivities, the cheerfulness, the happiness, how everyone celebrates with the people they care about.  I think that this tradition of coming together is a great one.

Problem is, the "official" purpose of the holiday is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.  As an Atheist, I am not about to revel in the inaccurate jubilation of the day that a Jewish messiah was supposedly born on.  And I know that the entire season/tradition was taken from the roman traditions of the time, and that people have always celebrated the coming of the winter with a feast and merriment; my dilemma, is that I do not know how to celebrate or what to celebrate this year.  All I know is that I do want to celebrate something this year.  And next year, and every year after that. 

Let me know what you think, how you celebrate , and whether or not we should come up with our own holiday.

Michael


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