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more on ID

From: Mark T.
Sent on: Friday, January 4, 2008 12:26 AM
The evolution/intelligent design debate is interesting, because ID proponents are are attempting to go beyond the dubious concept of "faith".
I posted on about this topic... the text isn't the greatest, but the pic is awesome! (taken last summer in our garden)
Here's an exchange I stumbled upon tonight, from an forum:
Keith Galloway says:

"I guess some people would rather believe that we all came from nothing as opposed to something we don't fully understand. With all that we don't know about the universe, you can't accept that there is a possibility that there might be an intelligent being that created the world.
In the PBS documentary, intelligent design was not acceptable to teach as science because its entire premise is not based on science. It's entire premise is that we were created by an Intelligent Being outside the realm of science. But to argue evolution as a more valid conclusion than intelligent design is not too far from ignorance itself.
What is a sign of intelligence? I believe it is certain patterns. Patterns such as sentences or number sequences. If you saw the statement "Hello Randy" written on a piece of paper, you would wonder who wrote it. You wouldn't think that the sentence just randomly appeared. Some intelligent being must have wrote it.
Human DNA is one of the most complicated patterns that could ever be imagined. Yet you contest that human DNA is just the product of random occurences in nature that happened to produce humans. I believe it makes much more sense to believe that this pattern (human DNA) was the result of an act by an Intelligent Being. After all, DNA is the most complicated pattern I could possibly imagine. Certainly a more complicated pattern than the sentence 'Hello Randy'."
Robert Hellebush says:

"Keith, You are right in describing the DNA molecule as being exceedingly complex. However, do you also believe it just appeared exactly as it we see it today? If you read a little about the chemical properties of oxygen, hydrogen, and carbon, you'll find that carbon has a great propensity to attract other molecules, and a structure which allows for great natural complexity!
In fact, carbon-based organic molecules have been produced in the lab by supplying an electric current through methane gas. Since DNA is an organic molecule, it's at least "theoretically possible" for it to have emerged from natural reactions.
Further, we know that a precursor of DNA was RNA; and, although complex, not as complex as DNA. Still further, we have mitochondrial DNA which is an abbreviated form of DNA yet retaining the ability to replicate and synthesize proteins.
Finally, we know that the early oceans and atmosphere of Earth were seething with the atoms and molecules known to be the building blocks of DNA - and that there was abundant sources of high energy, both thermal and radiant.
Conclusion: it doesn't seem IMPOSSIBLE that a self-replicating arrangement of molecules could have arisen and become more complex over the eons of time elapsed hence.
I would be more inclined to review the ID/Creationist assertions if there was absolutely NO WAY any of us could have arrived here in a natural way. But that doesn't appear to be the case, does it?"

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