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Re: [humanism-174] Michael

From: Mark R. O.
Sent on: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:51 AM
I apologize if this arrives twice.  I originally sent this on Friday March14 @ 1238 hrs. 
I am sending this copy out at 1330 hrs.  I'm trying again on Monday March 17 @0950 hrs.


Michael,

It sounds like you may have lost someone in the 2001 September 11 attack, if so you
have my sympathy.  First let me be clear I do not believe that the U.S. Government
orchestrated the attack.  However, I also do not know, who knew what and when
they knew it. 

To answer your questions:

Why would the government do something like this?  (I might add the word allow)

Possible answer: To get us involved in the Middle East.  Afghanistan was something
  we had to do, but has little strategic importance, other than opium.

Why would they need to? What objective would they have that could not be attained through any other means?

Possible Answer: Oil.  Just as we installed the Shaw in Iran, only this time there wasn't
   Shaw to install.  Saddam Hussein was our man.

Why are you so willing to believe that thousands of your fellow countrymen and countrywomen are capable of such a heinous act?

Answer: Because we've proven ourselves capable so many times in the past.  Remember
  the Tuskegee Project where black men where studied while they died of syphilis. 
  Our government against its own citizens.  Again remember the U.S.S. Liberty. 

Further more, if you believe that this government perpetrated the slaughter of 3000 people for any reason, then why the hell aren't you doing something about it?

Answer: I'm doing what a person from an "Open, Democratic Society" should do.  I'm
  asking questions.  What would you have me do? 

I doubt very much that you actually believe in this crap- but if you did, then I must point out that you and everyone who feels the way you do are cowards. 

Answer: The first of your statement is addressed in my first paragraph.  As for being
  a coward, what is it that makes you believe this? 

Millions of Muslims took to the streets, burned embassy's and effigy's, and sought to boycott much of the western world over a perceived slight involving a cartoon of Muhammad; here you are, suggesting that the democratically elected officials, with the necessary assistance of thousands of federal employees and military personal, planned and carried out a horrific act of domestic terrorism, and what have you done about it?

Already answered.

Give me something concrete, something real, something that is worth considering, and back it up with some real action; then maybe I'll take you seriously.

Answer: The only thing I can give you that is concrete, that is real is the history not only
  of our country but the history of mankind.  We have proven ourselves capable of such
  acts over and over again.  As far as action what is more powerful than asking questions?


Mr. Haines, 

As we discussed a few months ago at Arabica: 

    One of the first questions I gave you from the "Loose Change" movie was, of the
    19 hijackers, six (its been a while since I watched the movie the number may be four)
    are alive and well.  This should be something very simple to debunk. 

    Building seven, I know what the "experts" are saying as to why it came down.  They
    will not show the models they used to come to their conclusion.  The math is not
    that complicated with regards to structural mechanics. 

The "science" show Nova admitted they got some of it wrong when they did their program
about the collapse of the Twin Towers.  I would also add that I no longer give any
credibility to the show.  This season as been awful.  The show they did with the fire
ants, left one believing that they had "God" like qualities.  There was absolutely no
science in that show what so ever. 

M. Orel




Michael wrote:
Why would the government do something like this?  Why would they need to?  What objective would they have that could not be attained through any other means?  Why are you so willing to believe that thousands of your fellow countrymen and countrywomen are capable of such a heinous act? 

Further more, if you believe that this government perpetrated the slaughter of 3000 people for any reason, then why the hell aren't you doing something about it? 

I doubt very much that you actually believe in this crap- but if you did, then I must point out that you and everyone who feels the way you do are cowards.  Millions of Muslims took to the streets, burned embassy's and effigys, and sought to boycott much of the western world over a percieved slight involving a cartoon of Muhammed; here you are, suggesting that the democratically elected officials, with the necessary assistence of thousands of federal employees and military personal, planned and carried out a horrific act of domestic terrorism, and what have you done about it?  Made a few videos, sold some t-shirts, and what?  Give me something concrete, something real, something that is worth considering, and back it up with some real action; then maybe I'll take you seriously. 

Michael



Michael,

I agree, there are a lot of conspiracy theories  that  are  wacky.  The reason I cannot
lump the "Loose Change" movie with the others, is simply because they raise questions
that should be easily answered and they are not.  Some of the people who are still
trying to get answers are the  New York Fire Fighters and Police Officers as well as the
women who shamed this administration in having the 911 investigation in the first
place. 

I also agree that the U.S. Government is well hated around the world.  But that doesn't
mean that questions should not be answered. 

To think that this, or other first world countries haven't intentionally killed innocent people
to achieve a particular goal is a little naive.  How many puppet governments has the
U.S. been involved in creating?  Remember Iran was on its way to democracy when
the U.S., through the C.I.A., hijacked the election.  Remember the U.S.S Liberty. 

http://www.unitedstatesgovernment.net/israelsattackonussliberty.htm

M. Orel


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