Re: [humanism-174] Re:today's PD

From: Mark T.
Sent on: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:16 PM
Oh, I don't know, Hollis... since I feel that the whole Reverend Wright fiasco is much ado about not much, I see McMickle's letter differently.
This one, on the other hand... (this is fun, my retorts in bold type):
 

I am extremely saddened and shocked at the lack of patriotism in the letters of three of four writers regarding the Rev. Wright (Tuesday). One of them is surely mine!

I am forever grateful to have been born in this great country. Well, me too- but it's not as great as it should be. I am not wealthy, nor do I hold a position of power. Same here.  And I have never been given any special preferences because of the color of my skin or the religion of my choice. Quite the contrary. Same here, to a degree- though I was born with the proverbial suburban silver spoon in my mouth, and I suppose that gave me an advantage from the get-go over those less fortunate. And I still say, "God bless America!" Good for you- but those words ring hollow for me, since I'm an Atheist.

For those of you, religious and nonreligious (that's me), who dislike this great nation so much, I ask: What is stopping you from leaving and finding a country that better suits you? Oh, the old 'America- love it or leave it' line, ay? In your eyes, I am not patriotic because I was not offended by the words of Reverend Wright. That's YOUR problem, not mine- in fact your sentiment compels me to become a bigger annoyance to people like you. I am disappointed with America, but I don't dislike it- but even if I did, I have the same birthright as you do, sorry to say. FFRREEEEDDDOM!!! Perhaps you know there is no better nation to be found. You would rather act in the manner of unruly children who have not learned that nothing is owed you but a chance. Unruly children? You were probably one of those "freedom fries" folks. That is the offering of this great nation; the rest is up to you. OK thanks, I will continue to support Mr. Obama.

Sandra Cianciolo, Highland Hts.

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Hollis Geary <[address removed]> wrote:
Rev. Marvin McMickle, Shaker Heights:
 
....Hillary Clinton has never been called by the N-word. Orly? How would he know this? I am caucasion and my brother used to call me a nigger when we were growing up. Even his idea of "God damn America" must be heard within the context of the biblical, prophetic tradition where people like Amos and Jeremiah reminded ancient Israel that God could and would send judgment upon the nation for acts of injustice or cruelty toward other human beings. Biblical context?  That could excuse anything.
There are many preachers in America for whom obedience to a sovereign God overrules the idea of the separation of church and state, and for whom the song "God Bless America" is trumped by "He's Got the Whole World In His Hand." More apologies.  Wright can't help himself.  Perhaps this condition should be in the DSM III< /DIV>
People may not agree with Dr. Wright, but I hope these words will at least help people to better understand the context within which the words and works of my friend are grounded.
Better understand people who spread conspiracy theories?


Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
Beautifully said, Maude...
 
We can understand our own humanity, that's part of atheism's wonderful simplicity. No need for elaborate doctrines or mythologies to tell us about ourselves! 
Trouble is, many religious folks see the same wonderful simplicity in their own dogmatic beliefs- such as "Christ is Lord, Lord is Christ, etc., etc., this is all one needs to know". 
 
By the way, the great debate goes on in today's PD forum... 7 (web)pages of letters! They run the gamut from starry-eyed hope for a better future, to typical cardboard-cutout patriotism.
 
 


 
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Maude <[address removed]> wrote:
So then, perhaps some compassionate reasoning about someone who lost a child at such a tender age could help one understand how SOME people, grasp religion and the promise of heaven, especially the promise of heaven for such an innocent "soul" as a young child.
 
I understand how a person could buy into the whole thing. It cushions their pain. They find comfort in that belief.
 
Us atheists have all the same situations and troubles to confront and we I guess, have it worse because we don't have something to cushion our pain. We just have to feel the feelings and deal with them, realizing they are feelings, and we go on.
 
But I can understand how most people, offered a cushion, would latch onto it. That sort of thing just shows human frailty. Atheists are just as emotionally frail but we latch onto other humans, I think, to deal with it. Not gods.




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