Re: [humanism-174] advice on planning your funeral

From: Gordon
Sent on: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:55 AM
To me, it is much more important that while that person is alive you can interact. Instead of dwelling on the loss, I wish to dwell on the fact that the person was in my life, and to be grateful that we had the opportunity to interact...

--- On Thu, 9/27/12, Linas K Muliolis <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Linas K Muliolis <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] advice on planning your funeral
To: [address removed]
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 6:54 PM

Doesn't matter what remains, you will never interact with that person again....  :(
Not in the sense of meeting conscious mind with conscious mind...



On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Joanna <[address removed]> wrote:
Though you must lose, however, it is a comfort still that something remains. The person, I must disagree, does live on; not in its own consciousness, but within those...you know where I'm going with that.
I say a person who was loved is never gone.

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From: Linas K Muliolis <[address removed]>;
To: <[address removed]>;
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] advice on planning your funeral
Sent: Thu, Sep 27,[masked]:46:18 PM

It's really cool and all, but still, the consciousness, the person, is still not the same as the energy and atoms, etc...

That will forever be gone...




On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:41 PM, sheri presloid <[address removed]> wrote:
You made my day, Joanna!  I am glad that you got the same reaction I did.  

I lost seven people (including my mother and best friend) since July 2011.  I found this so comforting and thought of the material things that I have from my mother and friend and I will look at those objects in a different way.   :)


On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Joanna <[address removed]> wrote:
Wow. That is beautiful and, when I think of those lost to me, I am comforted. Thank you for sharing.


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From: sheri presloid <[address removed]>;
To: <[address removed]>;
Subject: [humanism-174] advice on planning your funeral
Sent: Thu, Sep 27,[masked]:14:28 PM

I was listening to The Thinking Atheist podcast on An Atheist Funeral and he ended the episode with an email from a listener who sent in the following.  I googled it and it was on NPR    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4675953.  I thought it was just perfect.  This is from 2005, so this might have been repeated.

Commentator Aaron Freeman isn't a person who does much planning ahead. However, if you like to look ahead to the future, he has some advice for you, advice on planning your funeral.

AARON FREEMAN:

You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.

And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her eyes, that those photons created within her constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.

And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.

And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly. 



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