Re: [humanism-174] My reply to an email my sister forwarded to me.....

From: Chris K
Sent on: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:28 PM
I don't believe any of the names you mentioned were religious individuals. 

Chris


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On Nov 23, 2012, at 12:53 PM, "Mark R. Orel" <[address removed]> wrote:

I find it funny how so many atheists try to ascribe religion
to atheists they find distasteful, like Stalin. Mao, Pol Pot
and the like. 

A desire for absolute power is not limited to the religious. 


M. Orel

On[masked]:08, Chris K wrote:
And the gulag would be the metaphorical hell!!

Chris


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On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:

We might be confusing "religion" with "church" and possibly confusing metaphor with literal.  As a metaphor, the Soviet State was the "church"; communism was the "religion".  But of course, this "religion" had no supernatural gods. 
Tim
 
 
In a message dated 11/23/[masked]:23:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [address removed] writes:
Simply that. There could be no other allegiance in these regimes.  You were either unquestionably obedient to the state and its head or you were eliminated. No dissidence was permitted.   

You had to believe in everything put forth by the leadership or at least claim to do so.   

Look at Lysenkoism in Soviet Russia.  

Chris




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On Nov 23, 2012, at 10:57 AM, "Mark R. Orel" <[address removed]> wrote:

Chris:


What did you mean when you wrote,
The state WAS the religion, complete
with unquestionable dogma, ritual,
and all the other accoutrements."
?


M. Orel

On [masked]:11, Chris K wrote:

Mark-

You left out the most important part of dogma.  It cannot be questioned.

Can you tell me the dogma of science, humanism and politics?

How am I contradicting my statement that the state can be a religion?

Chris



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On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:20 AM, "Mark R. Orel" <[address removed]> wrote:

Chris:

Dogma, is a doctrine; tenet; belief. 
Ritual, a set form or system of rites,
religious or otherwise. 
Science, politics, humanism, all have
dogma and ritual, and spots even more
so. 

Religion does not require a supreme
being.  You are contradicting your own
assertion that the state can be a religion. 
"What always gets me is that people seem
to think that the Stalinist Russia and Maoist
China had no religion.  That couldn't be further
from the truth.  The state WAS the religion,
complete with unquestionable dogma, ritual,
and all the

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