Re: [humanism-174] Loads of Fact checking/ Debunking Needed

From: Mark R. O.
Sent on: Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:02 AM
Mr. Stanton: 

I couldn't agree with you more. 
Have you read "Thinking, and Slow"
by Daniel Kahneman? 


M. Orel


On[masked]:31, Russell Stanton wrote:
More and more lately,  I’ve been realizing how powerful people’s beliefs/ prejudices/ paradigms are,  and how much we tend to base our assumptions (or beliefs)  on other people’s words,  their apparent beliefs,   more than on our own firsthand observations.    The people in this group seem to be just as succeptable to that tendency as most others.   Learning the truth doesn’t seem to be nearly as important to you as having your own beliefs agreed with and/or reinforced.    What is the difference between a belief and a nonbelief anyway.    ....I believe you could think of plenty of explanations of how they are different,  but  doubt that any of them would explain it very well.  : )     If you want to know the truth  it’s a big mistake to fall in love with your first hypothesis.     I think it was Steve Allen I heard that from,  and have allways  thought it was good advice.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Of course sometimes the simplest answer (or simply the one you hear the loudest)  is correct.     ....it would surely be interesting to get the statistics on what percent of the time it works that way.      But it is not rare for the most popular belief to be not just a little off,  but colossally off from what is true.   Try thinking of when the earth was supported by the three elephants on the back of a turtle,  or the times  when everything important about a human being could easily be determined by the color of his skin.    Why is it so easy for us to forget lessons like these?       .....we want it to be easy to  keep falling in love with our personal favorite first hypohtesis all the time ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           I’ll bet every single one who reads this will be able to think of at least one time when we were lied to by people in our government.    But still the trend continues -   it’s like the Al Gore hockey stick curve of continuing,   for us to trust (believe) our government  more and more and more.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Why is that?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Rus
 
From: Tim Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 23,[masked]:10 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Loads of Fact checking/ Debunking Needed
 
It is not ironic to say that even paranoids have actual enemies!  But without a signed confession from Oswald or anyone else, the JFK assassination will always be fodder for contention and conspiracy.  None of us can state with 100% certainty that LHO did it or did not do it, was involved, or was a "patsy".  Good to be a skeptic, but sometimes the simplest answer is the best answer, and sometimes we just don't have enough hard evidence to be certain.
 
Tim Campbell
 
In a message dated 11/23/2012 6:45:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [address removed] writes:
Is that it?   You mean we can always believe the state?    The state would never lie to us?    Did you watch that video  Mike?   Your argument isn’t very convincing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Rus                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
 
From: Mike
Sent: Thursday, November 22,[masked]:33 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Loads of Fact checking/ Debunking Needed
 
Lee Harvey Oswald did it.  The lone gunman.  However, conspiracy theories abound.  Human nature!?
Mike S


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Russell Stanton <[address removed]> wrote:
The best way I can think of to mark this JFK Day -  all these claims about Nazis  who escaped justice,  in fact many in pure glorious style,   have been around probably longer than I have.   You all are the best bunch of fact checkers debunkers and nonbelievers I know.   Now here is a link to one of the most outrageous conspiracy theory claims I’ve seen (in only 12 minutes): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hKLUpLNLD0.     Is any of this stuff true?   and I’d say the more important question -  if any or all of these claims are true,  why are the masses of WW2 survivors not making sure that some justice is brought to the countless criminals who are still alive?    Have a beautiful JFK remembrance day,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Rus




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