Re: [humanism-174] O'Reilly vs. Silverman

From: Chris K
Sent on: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:42 PM
I disagree that O'Reilly is a skilled debater.  I've seen him make way too many simple mistakes.

Dinesh is crafty but lacks substance.  And I don't think he'll be doing a whole lot any time soon in light of his personal life. 

Chris

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Mike <[address removed]> wrote:
Greg,

Kudos for acknowledging that O'Reilly is smart and a skilled debater.  Opponents can be mistaken and still smart.  Dinesh D"Souza is another example.  I saw him debate Christopher Hitchens on CSPAN2.  Hitchens would not have wasted his time debating an unqualified adversary.  Intelligence and skill are the qualifications!
Is allowing a church to erect a Nativity display really the establishment of a religion?

Mike S





On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Greg Priddy <[address removed]> wrote:
On the contrary, Billo is very smart. He knows his audience, and he knows just what buttons to push on his guests to get the maximum reaction from his audience.

He's also a Jesuit-educated debater, so he's well-versed in how to gain the upper hand in a situation like this.

-Greg


On Thu, 29 Nov[masked]:37:31 -0500
 Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
O'Relly's "points" are of course ridiculous, except for "One doesn't have
to be a Christian to celebrate Christmas"... this is true. Silverman did
well but I prefer the "Christmas has long been celebrated as a traditional
holiday, not a religious one- and for many, Christ has no more significance
than a plastic elf or a piece of tinsel" angle.

But this angle might diminish the overall secularist argument
(pro-religionists might say "If the religious messages are insignificant,
then what is the harm?"), although it shouldn't- religious displays on
public property, or any other govt.-coerced acknowledgement of religion,
are equivalent to government establishment of religion, simple as that.
On Nov 29,[masked]:53 AM, "sheri presloid" <[address removed]> wrote:

Oh!  I cannot wait for Jon Stewart tonight!  That was just classic!
 O'Reilly is truly stupid.  wow....


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:

American Atheists president David Silverman & Bill O'Reilly got into a
pretty good "scrotum-popper" on O'Reilly's show last night :)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/bill-oreilly-david-silverman-screaming-match_n_2211055.html




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