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Re: [humanism-174] O'Reilly vs. Silverman

From: Greg P.
Sent on: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:51 PM
If they're allowed to do it on public property, it is. 
It's the state endorsing one religion over all others. 
Separation of church and state is best for both parties.

Another way to tell that it's establishment is the way the 
xtians react when they're required to share the public 
space with other religious or secular groups.

On Thu, 29 Nov[masked]:38:20 -0500
  Mike <[address removed]> wrote:
> Greg,
> 
> Kudos for acknowledging that O'Reilly is smart and a 
>skilled debater.
> Opponents can be mistaken and still smart.  Dinesh 
>D"Souza is another
> example.  I saw him debate Christopher Hitchens on 
>CSPAN2.  Hitchens would
> not have wasted his time debating an unqualified 
>adversary.  Intelligence
> and skill are the qualifications!
> Is allowing a church to erect a Nativity display really 
>the establishment
> of a religion?
> 
> Mike S
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Greg Priddy 
><[address removed]>wrote:
> 
>> On the contrary, Billo is very smart. He knows his 
>>audience, and he knows
>> just what buttons to push on his guests to get the 
>>maximum reaction from
>> his audience.
>>
>> He's also a Jesuit-educated debater, so he's well-versed 
>>in how to gain
>> the upper hand in a situation like this.
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Nov[masked]:37:31 -0500
>>  Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
>>
>>> O'Relly's "points" are of course ridiculous, except for 
>>>"One doesn't have
>>> to be a Christian to celebrate Christmas"... this is 
>>>true. Silverman did
>>> well but I prefer the "Christmas has long been 
>>>celebrat­ed as a traditional
>>> holiday, not a religious one- and for many, Christ has 
>>>no more
>>> significance
>>> than a plastic elf or a piece of tinsel" angle.
>>>
>>> But this angle might diminish the overall secularist 
>>>argument­
>>> (pro-religionists might say "If the religious messages 
>>>are insignificant,
>>> then what is the harm?"), although it shouldn't- 
>>>religiou­s displays on
>>> public property, or any other govt.-coerced 
>>>acknowle­dgement of religion,
>>> are equivalent to government establishment of religion, 
>>>simple as that.
>>> On Nov 29,[masked]:53 AM, "sheri presloid" 
>>><[add­ress removed]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Oh!  I cannot wait for Jon Stewart tonight!  That was 
>>>just classic!
>>>>  O'Reilly is truly stupid.  wow....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Mark Tiborsky 
>>>><­[address removed]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  American Atheists president David Silverman & Bill 
>>>>O'Re­illy got into a
>>>>>­ pretty good "scrotum-popper" on O'Reilly's show last 
>>>>>­night :)
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