Re: [humanism-174] O'Reilly vs. Silverman

From: Greg P.
Sent on: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:24 PM
I mean that I think he understands that tides are caused 
by gravitational forces and earth's rotation, but that god 
was the one who created those relationships between sun, 
moon, and earth, etc. It's simply too perfect for folks 
like Billo to believe there wasn't a creator or designer.

Similar to RCC teaching that god created life on Earth, 
and used evolution in the process. A bit of mental judo 
that allows people to be religious but not go all Ken Ham 
over well-established science.

On Thu, 29 Nov[masked]:27:13 -0500
  Chris K <[address removed]> wrote:
> Greg-
> 
> If he understands the physically process than how does 
>he attribute it to a
> deity?  I'm confused.
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Greg Priddy 
><[address removed]>wrote:
> 
>> As I said in a previous message, Billo understands the 
>>physical process of
>> the tides, he just attributes the process to a deity. 
>>Typical for Roman
>> Catholics.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Nov[masked]:21:02 -0500
>>  Chris K <[address removed]> wrote:
>>
>>> So what the heck happened to him during his interview 
>>>with Silverman when
>>> me made the "tide goes in, tide goes out" comment?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Greg Priddy 
>>><[add­ress removed]>**
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On the contrary, Billo is very smart. He knows his 
>>>audience­, and he knows
>>>> just what buttons to push on his guests to get the 
>>>>maxi­mum reaction from
>>>> his audience.
>>>>
>>>> He's also a Jesuit-educated debater, so he's well-versed 
>>>>in how to gain
>>>> the upper hand in a situation like this.
>>>>
>>>> -Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov[masked]:37:31 -0500
>>>>  Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  O'Relly's "points" are of course ridiculous, except for 
>>>>"One­ doesn't
>>>>>­ have
>>>>>­ to be a Christian to celebrate Christmas"... this is 
>>>>>­true. Silverman did
>>>>>­ well but I prefer the "Christmas has long been 
>>>>>­celebrated as a
>>>>>­ traditional
>>>>>­ holiday, not a religious one- and for many, Christ has 
>>>>>­no more
>>>>>­ significance
>>>>>­ than a plastic elf or a piece of tinsel" angle.
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ But this angle might diminish the overall secularist 
>>>>>­argument
>>>>>­ (pro-religionists might say "If the religious messages 
>>>>>­are
>>>>>­ insignificant,
>>>>>­ then what is the harm?"), although it shouldn't- 
>>>>>­religious displays on
>>>>>­ public property, or any other govt.-coerced 
>>>>>­acknowledgement of religion,
>>>>>­ are equivalent to government establishment of religion, 
>>>>>­simple as that.
>>>>>­ On Nov 29,[masked]:53 AM, "sheri presloid" 
>>>>>­<[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>­
>>>>>­  Oh!  I cannot wait for Jon Stewart tonight!  That was 
>>>>>­just classic!
>>>>>­
>>>>>­>  O'Reilly is truly stupid.  wow....
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Mark Tiborsky 
>>>>>­><[address removed]>
>>>>>­> wrote:
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­>  American Atheists president David Silverman & Bill 
>>>>>­>O'Reilly got into a
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­>> pretty good "scrotum-popper" on O'Reilly's show last 
>>>>>­>>night :)
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>>
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