RE: [humanism-174] So Much Stinking Thinking

From: Marni T.
Sent on: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:02 AM

Nina,

 

You should definitely join us in person! Our first four meetups have been just what you’ve been looking for. We have had a lot of fun & stimulating conversation, with LOTS of food for thought. We all share a common thread, that being no (or mostly no) god belief. I, for one, have no interest in going out of my way to piss off the religious. In turn, this is OUR time. We need to use our voice now, if need be. The mere fact that Freethinker/Humanist/Atheist groups exist AT ALL is probably enough to enrage many of “the holy”. Not to mention, I wouldn’t doubt it a bit that this group is ALREADY on some kind of “government watch list”. ?I say, giant middle finger right back at ‘em!!! Frankly, if people like us anger the pious & ignorant JUST by voicing what we believe to be true, then good! I’m glad!

 

It just so happens that this Rosemary character was looking to “call us out”. We have not heard back from her so most likely she will not be appearing at our July meetup. Marni & I just thought it might make for an interesting meeting. It probably won’t be the last time somebody tries to bring “the fight” to US. However, I think I am speaking for the entire group when I say we won’t go looking for a fight.

 

As for s?ances & all that, it’s all in good fun. I don’t think anyone’s real serious about all that. I do share an interest with Maude regarding investigation of “paranormal” events that can be brought within the realm of science- consider that a side discussion. The reason Marni wanted to start this group is exactly what you had in mind. Hope to see you at the July (or August) meetup!

 

MARK T.

 


From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Nina Amore
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 2:14 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] So Much Stinking Thinking

 

I have not been to any of the humanism meet ups but I have to say I am a bit hesitant or unsure if I should go after seeing all this conversation. I am having a hard time finding a good meet up in this category. You see I joined a different one once,  the humanist organization on campus at Kent State University this past year (I finally graduated from KSU in December) and I was disappointed with their group because it seems that they were more interested in pissing off religious people and converting and arguing with the Evangelist preacher types who pass out bibles on campus to the students. I am not interested in wasting my time on religious people. They are not going to see things my way anyway. I certainly don't want to go around offending people for no good reason. Unfortunately that group was also more interested in finding other Atheists to get drunk with and go to bars and considering I am in my late 30's I have no interest in that at a ll. I'm sure this group is not like that though because your all adults and not in a college atmosphere, but I was hoping that I could find a group that did not want to discuss possibilities in religious practices. Doesn't the rest of the world have dibs on that? I mean most of the world is religious and what is needed is a refuge and a support group for people who don't fit in there. I grew up with Atheist parents. My mom is from a Jewish family and my dad is from Iran and raised Muslim. They are both Atheists and my mom is beyond that, she kind of raised me sac-religious. She has a lot of anger towards organized religion and I grew up feeling alienated by just about all of society. Especially since she grew up in Brooklyn, NY and moved us to the Midwest. From the time I was in kinder garden I was really confused by how serious everyone was about this imaginary fantasy-land called god and Jesus and why the people were acting so strange. I could not understand why rational adults were believing in this and why all my friends in first grade were crying and praying for me because they did not want me to burn in hell. The fear in their eyes about seeing their playmate burn and all that. I even pretended to believe a few times but it made me feel so alienated by all of society. I sometimes wish I could be brainwashed into believing in something. But it is just to silly for me to think anything could possibly exist in any kind of capacity that would make it worth worrying about or changing my way of life as a result of. I mean if you try to be as humane as you can in life than you are doing everything you need to do anyway. And to alter your behavior to change things for after you die is selfish compared to doing things a certain way because they are humane. I don't need fear of god to influence me to treat others kindly. I just kinda thought it would be fun to find people to do social things with that were free from the hate and prejudice that religion causes. So if there is any seance or religious demos count me out because I guess this is not the group for me or the group I was hopeing to find. Which is a shame because I am new in town and was so looking forward to this meet-up. Does anyone feel this way at all too??

john f kaiser <[address removed]> wrote:

Wow! I have to confess I don't get on the net much, -
but a lot can happen in a few weeks with a group like
this. I just got done reading 30 some Emails you folks
have sent back and forth the past two weeks - WoW - is
all I can say. No not really I can say more... And I
will.

First everyone should read a book called "Flim-Flam!"
by James Randi. (The book is out of print but you can
sometimes find it at discount book stores.) He is a
retired magician that has made it his life's work to
expose the pseudo-scientific crap you folks have been
talking about. I'm sorry about calling it crap but I
have to call it like I see it.

I don't think it is a good idea to encourage people in
there delusions. That is dishonest to say the least.

On a lighter note I love Garlic.

And Mushrooms. The best rooms in the house.

Now I don't want you all to think I'm a sour-puss -
I'm all for having fun with a Ouji Board. As long as
everyone Knows that nothing magical, or a better word
would be spiritual, is happening. I'm all for a good
laugh. But not a any-ones expense.

Key thing in all of this is to think Rationally about
all things. Except Love. (Love works best when you
can't explain it.)

I'll be at the next MeetUp

ps: I'm sure you can find more on James Randi if you
google him.


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