Re: [humanism-174] Some more hatin' on X-mas

From: Joanna
Sent on: Friday, December 7, 2012 4:54 PM
Call me crazy, but I like the consumerism part of the holiday.  Perhaps because I was a poor kid that did without presents under the tree many years of my childhood.  Of course, I like to make a splash with my gifts - make people overjoyed, or cry, or in one way or another feel the appreciation I have for them in my life.  Aside from this year when I will cop out for some gift cards, I'm the type of person who puts a lot of thought into the gifts I give. Sure, it's selfish of me to feel what I feel when they feel what they feel, but I'm OK with that.  I am so excited that my son is FINALLY at the age where he's going to rip a gift open and smile and laugh; I'm going to get to watch him interact with new things and learn new skills.  Haha - I got him a bug jar and book. Can't wait to go down to the basement and catch him a spider or two!

The grand thing about such celebrations is there's only what's right and comfortable for you. No matter what or how you celebrate, I hope you all have an opportunity to make others laugh and cry. :)
 


 

 

 

In Loving Memory of SSG Edward W. Carman
Nov. 1976-Apr.2004 - US Army, 2/12 Cavalry




From: sheri presloid <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Fri, December 7,[masked]:45:20 PM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Some more hatin' on X-mas

I never understood why there were presents for xmas.  I think that presents (actual gifts) should be reserved for YOUR birthday.  Hell, you survived another year; you deserve a gift!

Also,  I understand weddings, baby showers, graduation, etc. because those are "helpful" gifts with celebration, again, about YOU. 

Xmas gifts are about the department stores having awesome sales before the fiscal year ends. :)



On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Matt <[address removed]> wrote:
I'm not saying that it's not good. Certainly people are trying to help others. And, yes, it's a choice to participate. But we've created and continue to perpetuate a holiday that glorifies consumerism and belittles those who don't participate. So of course economically stressed families want to provide a Christmas for their kids just as much as any other family does. But is it wise to celebrate a holiday that puts so much unneeded economic stress (besides other kinds of stress) on people?
 
Matt
 
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Scott Spalding <[address removed]> wrote:
Why can't the action simply be good? As far as I understand, the families involved on both sides of the program are there by choice. If they did the program respectful, then why can they just simply not participate?

It seems to remind me a bit of the "free ice cream" argument.

--Scott

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Matt <[address removed]> wrote:
Also, the idea of "adopting" a family seems to imply that the parent(s) of said family are somewhat less than adult and need to be taken on by responsible (i.e., moneyed) adults who can care for them until they're able to grow up and start buying presents again themselves. These programs are certainly a way to treat the unintended consequences of our all-pervasive, countrywide December party. But they also seem to be a way for the Christmas nuts to feel okay about trumpeting their consumerist holiday from every street corner, shopping center, office and school.
Matt





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