Horsecrap, Mark and you know it. Rebutting your fundaloon nonsense is
easy, but requires more time than you are worth. Even the most ardent
THINKING atheist knows and admits that disproving the existence of some sort of
"God" is impossible. But showing how religions and gods have come into
being and how these human inventions have evolved over time is easy and has been
done so by many scholars long before I or Randy or any of this group have begun
our own journeys.
My only "cause" is to show THINKING people who absurd many of these
religious beliefs are and let them come to their own conclusions. Of course, I
consider the Christian god to be a human invention.
In a message dated 12/22/2012 3:41:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[address removed] writes:
Anecdotally, the cause of atheism
seems to be the
encouragement of those who believe in God, and
lesser extent, those who are agnostics, to
accept that God does not
exists. Even though no
atheist can produce any evidence of God's
"I fail to see how the criticism of this poem hurts
the cause of atheism
in general. You certainly haven't established that it
Then comment on.
It is not my intent to aid or
dissuade either side.
I don't care if God exists or not. If
believing, or not,
helps you get through the night then more power to
you. If you see this as accommodationist, I have no
As a postmodernist, my world is gray, not black and not
white. What works for me need not work for anyone else.
On[masked]:34, Randy Pelton wrote:
obviously can't say with certainty that you are the only one with this
perspective among the members of the Cleveland Freethinkers. But you do seem
to be the only one that I recall who routinely expresses this perspective on
this e-mail forum.
this is only your opinion is duly noted. I fail to see how the criticism of
this poem hurts the cause of atheism in general. You certainly haven't
established that it does. As you well know an assertion is not evidence of
the claim itself. By the way, what do you think is atheism's
is my opinion that the accommodationist viewpoint you keep offering
certainly does not aid atheism. I am doubtful that the accommodationist
strategy leads many, if any, believers to reflect on their belief in god and
the supernatural and in the light of the lack of credible empirical evidence
abandon those beliefs.
From: Mark R. Orel <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Saturday, December
Re: [humanism-174] xmas bullcrap prayer titled: Twas' 11 days before
Atheists in general.
Hasn't all the criticism and conversation about this
restricted to this forum? No. I posted that
link as an
I don't understand your last question? Do you
of the 759 members of the Cleveland Freethinkers, that
the only one with this perspective? And I only offered
do with it as you will.
On[masked]:18, Randy Pelton
whom will it hurt the cause? Did I miss something here? Hasn't all the
criticism and conversation about this poem been restricted to this forum?
The only person on this forum with whom the cause might be damaged is you
and since you already don't support efforts to criticize religion why
should we worry about what you think concerning the poem or the topic in
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