Re: [humanism-174] xmas bullcrap prayer titled: Twas' 11 days before Christmas

From: Tim C.
Sent on: Saturday, December 22, 2012 5:09 PM
Horsecrap, Mark and you know it.  Rebutting your fundaloon nonsense is easy, but requires more time than you are worth.  Even the most ardent THINKING atheist knows and admits that disproving the existence of some sort of "God" is impossible.  But showing how religions and gods have come into being and how these human inventions have evolved over time is easy and has been done so by many scholars long before I or Randy or any of this group have begun our own journeys.
 
My only "cause" is to show THINKING people who absurd many of these religious beliefs are and let them come to their own conclusions. Of course, I consider the Christian god to be a human invention.
 
Tim Campbell
 
In a message dated 12/22/2012 3:41:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [address removed] writes:
Randy:

Anecdotally, the cause of atheism seems to be the
encouragement of those who believe in God, and
to a lesser extent,  those who are agnostics, to
accept that God does not exists.  Even though no
atheist can produce any evidence of God's non-existence.

"I fail to see how the criticism of this poem hurts the cause of atheism
in general. You certainly haven't established that it does.
"
Then comment on. 

It is not my intent to aid or dissuade either side. 
I don't care if God exists or not.  If believing, or not,
helps you get through the night then more power to
you.  If you see this as accommodationist, I have no
problem with it. 

As a postmodernist, my world is gray, not black and not
white.  What works for me need not work for anyone else.


Mark


On[masked]:34, Randy Pelton wrote:
Mark, 

I obviously can't say with certainty that you are the only one with this perspective among the members of the Cleveland Freethinkers. But you do seem to be the only one that I recall who routinely expresses this perspective on this e-mail forum.

That this is only your opinion is duly noted. I fail to see how the criticism of this poem hurts the cause of atheism in general. You certainly haven't established that it does. As you well know an assertion is not evidence of the claim itself. By the way, what do you think is atheism's cause?

It is my opinion that the accommodationist viewpoint you keep offering certainly does not aid atheism. I am doubtful that the accommodationist strategy leads many, if any, believers to reflect on their belief in god and the supernatural and in the light of the lack of credible empirical evidence abandon those beliefs. 

Randy


From: Mark R. Orel <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Saturday, December 22,[masked]:54 AM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] xmas bullcrap prayer titled: Twas' 11 days before Christmas

Randy:

Atheists in general.

Hasn't all the criticism and conversation about this
poem been restricted to this forum?  No. I posted that
link as an example. 

I don't understand your last question?  Do you think out
of the 759 members of the Cleveland Freethinkers, that
I am the only one with this perspective?  And I only offered
my opinion, do with it as you will.



M. Orel


On[masked]:18, Randy Pelton wrote:
Mark,

With whom will it hurt the cause? Did I miss something here? Hasn't all the criticism and conversation about this poem been restricted to this forum? The only person on this forum with whom the cause might be damaged is you and since you already don't support efforts to criticize religion why should we worry about what you think concerning the poem or the topic in general?

Randy






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