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Re: [humanism-174] In "Garlic Man" We Trust :)

From: Randy P.
Sent on: Friday, January 4, 2013 5:49 PM
I get your point Tim, but I still prefer these words to spiritual. While these words are descriptions of the phenomenon, they also, for me anyway, elicit emotions as well. Take the word majestic, for example. When I say this word or think it reference to a visual stimulus, I have an emotional experience simultaneously. The word works for me anyway. I'm sure that phenomenalized works for you. However, upon saying the word aloud I got nothing. No connection for me. I'll try it out a few more times but don't hold out much hope that the word will find a place in my lexicon.

Randy


From: Tim Campbell <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, January 4,[masked]:31 PM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] In "Garlic Man" We Trust :)

Too many letters! lol   Problem with your offered words is that they are adjectives that describe what one is seeing, but does not describe one's own feelings in seeing the event or phenomena.  I will go with "inspired" or "awestruck", but I like a word I kinda invented: "phenomenalized"! 
 
Tim
 
 
In a message dated 1/4/2013 3:53:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [address removed] writes:
Spiritual (eyes roll). What a useless, confusing word. This term is so malleable and nebulous that I prefer to stay away from it. It really is no better than describing yourself as religious. For far too many who use this label it is just a pseudonym for belief in some form of woo woo or flapdoodle or pablum. 

The author of the article mentions that for some it is their word for conveying a sense of awe and wonder.

"But while science may be able to explain the world, it doesn't evoke how many people feel about their place in the universe.
Awe and wonder is how spiritual people often describe their relationship with the world."

If this is how one feels then what the hell is wrong with simply using the words awe and wonder. The following are additional terms I think preferable to spiritual: magnificentgrandsplendidresplendentglorious. The term spiritual carries too much religious and other woo woo baggage to justify its use.

I am frequently inspired and awestruck by nature. I can't look at a Hubble Telescope image of the galaxy, for example, and not be enthralled and exhilarated by the majestic image. Sometimes I find myself engulfed in a sense of euphoric delight just looking at and contemplating the wondrous biological and chemical activity playing out at the molecular level inside a leaf as it dangles on the branch of a tree, brushed softly my a gentle breeze. Calling this spiritual fails for me to capture the true breadth and depth of the feelings evoked.

Randy

From: sheri presloid <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, January 4,[masked]:23 PM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] In "Garlic Man" We Trust :)

Research has suggested "spiritual" people may suffer worse mental health than conventionally religious, agnostic or atheist people. 

My thoughts on this are as follows (tongue in cheek examples):

Spiritual people think in their heads that a fence will be built if they wish it so.  Since they are "thinking" it and not "saying" it,  it won't be built since no one heard them.

Religious people pray out loud and possibly tell everyone in their congregation that they hope "god" helps them get that fence up in the Spring time. It comes through because the congregation heard their fellow worshiper needs help with a fence and they all pulled through to make it happen (but that person KNOWS it was "god" that made it happen and not the people of the congregation).

The Agnostic and Atheist people will make phone calls, search the internet and find the best (cheapest) way to get that fence up.  They call their friends and family and ask for some help from them in return for pizza and beer.  The fence is done.

That was probably not the best example, but I am sure I got my point across. ha




On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
"Spiritual but not religious"- a term that can imply adherence to nonsense, but not necessarily so as this author shows-
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20888141




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