Re: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Postmodernism

From: Tim C.
Sent on: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:11 PM
There is no spoon. Lol. Pm sounds more and more like a pretty useless philosophy except when conversing at a sf convention.



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Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Postmodernism

Postmodernism appears to be another name for epistemological nihilism.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
While I agree that I cannot know for certain that I have a job and will go to this job on Monday morning, nevertheless, I believe that I do and will act as if I do.  Perhaps, reality is a Matrix world that is unreal, a software construct downloaded into our brains.  But, how would having such a belief impact one's life?  This sort of nihilism that denies objective reality would lead to some interesting behavior and outcomes.  Holding such a POV would have low survival value. But, in a Matrix world, what difference would it make?

Mike S


On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Chris K <[address removed]> wrote:
"I yam wud I yam!"

                      -Popeye


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On Jan 26, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:

"I think, therefore I am. " Descartes



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To: humanism-174
Sent: Fri, Jan 25,[masked]:07 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Postmodernism

Randy: 

VERY GOOD!  I hear that annoyance is good for the
soul. 


M. Orel
On[masked]:44, Randy Pelton wrote:
Mark,

You asked "...do I even exist?"

Allow me to offer at least one whimsical argument that you do

One must exist to to be annoyed
Furthermore, to annoy another one must exist
I am annoyed by Mark Orel
Therefore, both Mark and I exist

Now I have no doubt that you will find some postmodernist contortion to take issue with this argument. But know that whatever it may be, it will only annoy me further, thereby only confirming the original conclusion.

Randy


From: Mark R. Orel <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, January 25,[masked]:45 AM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Postmodernism

Glen:

Right now I exist in a subjective reality that overlaps yours.
In this overlap we have some point of commonality.  I accept
this because I have nothing else to accept.  If my reality were
to change then you may become irrelevant or not depending
on my experience.  (Please understand that I am writing from
the only perspective I can, my own.)

To science in general, it has been a great tool, once you look into
the "rabbit hole" of  theoretical physics and couple that with
philosophy then begin to ask why, you get me.  I use the information
that comes from science to try to figure out the ubiquitous question
to the answer that is 42.  That is, why am I here, do I even exist?
Is there an objective reality, and can I know it?  It means I have
many more questions than answers.  It means that I know, I know
nothing except for the fact of my ignorance.  It means that I am
open to finding the answers regardless the effect it may have on my,
subjective, reality.


M. Orel






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