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Re: [humanism-174] Re: Postmodernism

From: Mike
Sent on: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:33 PM
My point is, lets hear the argument.  I doubt the existence of spiritual entities, however, if you can present a credible argument for the existence of these entities, then have at it.  I do not know everything.  Perhaps, you will win me over.

Mike S

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Randy Pelton <[address removed]> wrote:
You've got me scratching my head Mike. *:-/ confused You said, "So let us find an argument for the existence of the soul." Then you proceeded to give what appears to me the beginnings of a argument against the existence of the soul.

Randy


From: Mike <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Saturday, January 26,[masked]:21 PM

Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Postmodernism

Reading Boak's Think and Rethink.  Advertised in Skeptic.  Persuaded to forget about "proof," and, move on to constructing good arguments that can be assented to (believed?) or rejected.  So, in this mode, a dualist would be challenged to come up with an argument to convince one that the soul exists.  I suppose that the mind, for a dualist, is somehow related to the soul.  (Maybe not.)  So let us find an argument for the existence of the soul. Shouldn't be too difficult.   A materialist must see the mind as an aspect of the functioning brain. Atheists reject spiritual explanations out of hand.  A non spiritual soul is a contradiction in terms.  Still, show me the argument.  Perhaps, I am wrong!

Mike S

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Randy Pelton <[address removed]> wrote:
Mark,

I have no soul. I am an atheist. Furthermore, I reject the whole idea of mind-body dualism, which I think one would have to accept if you believe in such a thing as the soul.

Randy

From: Mark R. Orel <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Saturday, January 26,[masked]:07 AM

Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Postmodernism

Randy: 

VERY GOOD!  I hear that annoyance is good for the
soul. 


M. Orel
On[masked]:44, Randy Pelton wrote:
Mark,

You asked "...do I even exist?"

Allow me to offer at least one whimsical argument that you do

One must exist to to be annoyed
Furthermore, to annoy another one must exist
I am annoyed by Mark Orel
Therefore, both Mark and I exist

Now I have no doubt that you will find some postmodernist contortion to take issue with this argument. But know that whatever it may be, it will only annoy me further, thereby only confirming the original conclusion.

Randy


From: Mark R. Orel <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, January 25,[masked]:45 AM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Postmodernism

Glen:

Right now I exist in a subjective reality that overlaps yours.
In this overlap we have some point of commonality.  I accept
this because I have nothing else to accept.  If my reality were
to change then you may become irrelevant or not depending
on my experience.  (Please understand that I am writing from
the only perspective I can, my own.)

To science in general, it has been a great tool, once you look into
the "rabbit hole" of  theoretical physics and couple that with
philosophy then begin to ask why, you get me.  I use the information
that comes from science to try to figure out the ubiquitous question
to the answer that is 42.  That is, why am I here, do I even exist?
Is there an objective reality, and can I know it?  It means I have
many more questions than answers.  It means that I know, I know
nothing except for the fact of my ignorance.  It means that I am
open to finding the answers regardless the effect it may have on my,
subjective, reality.


M. Orel






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