Re: [humanism-174] Re: Wubbo Ockels

From: Randy P.
Sent on: Friday, February 1, 2013 2:21 PM
In complete agreement with you Glen. Well said.

I am at a complete loss as to why Dr. Ockels thinks that abandoning what he called "chronocentrism" would lead to our detection of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. In fact this claim, made essentially twice in his talk, is one of the reasons I concluded his talk was overall a lot of woo-woo and not worth serious consideration. Perhaps Mark will explain it to us since he seems to think that Dr. Ockels should be taken seriously. 

An opinion: I do not think an endorsement of an idea by Mark carries much weight or gives much cause to take the idea seriously, given that Mark seems disposed to endorse almost any idea, some good and some just wacky. lol*:)) laughing


From: Glen <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, February 1,[masked]:09 PM
Subject: [humanism-174] Re: Wubbo Ockels

When I described Dr. Ockels as a classic crank, I was specifically referring to how he came off in the YouTube video. Evidently he did do some legitimate research during his career, and even flew on the space shuttle. Of course, many creationists also seem to function well as engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc. even while throwing their brains out the window on the subject of origins. In Dr. Ockel's case, it does not seem like his views can be attributed to YECism or religious beliefs in general. However, it seems like he like so many others these days are virtually making a religion out of outlandish "mystical physics" ideas. Granted, a lot of quantum theory and cosmic physics is strange and mysterious, and often difficult to test, but at least most physicists try to work within the framework of sound logic, consistency, and scientific protocols (including peer review publishing, none of which seems to be important to Ockels, or to the "What the Bleep"
producers and followers. Maybe I'm overreaching to lump them together, but it seems to be a growing trend, where in place of conventional religion, some people are latching onto far-out but poorly founded quasi-scientific beliefs.
  In Dr. Ockel's case, I wonder how he can have the reasoning power do legitimate research in the space program, and then go off on such a woo-woo tangent, where in the space of 45 minutes he makes more illogical and baseless claims than one can count.  Maybe he absorbed too many cosmic rays on his space missions. Seriously, assuming he's not just punking us or doing it for the money, it does seem curious even from a psychological standpoint. Of course, anyone can pose a new hypothesis and sometimes even outlandish ideas turn out to be right. But as Oekels should know, the proper way of advancing them in science is not in self-centered speeches and YouTube videos, but thru rigorous testing and peer review publications.   
    By the way, is it just me, or did anyone else have trouble understanding why he thinks our accepting the idea that time is a human creation will allow us to better detect aliens from outer space?

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