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Re: Re: [humanism-174] "The Bible" on History Channel

From: Tim C.
Sent on: Monday, March 4, 2013 1:01 AM
And while Christians do not like to admit it, the root of the religion is in the myths of judaism. Without the myths, christianity loses almost all relevance.

Watched the first part of the miniseries. No surprise. Banal, highly sanitized, ignoring the controversial portions of the source material. Thelogical cleansing at its most cloying. Even the voice of God is anemic at best. Moses looks like mickey rourke; abraham's schizophrenia is almost silly. Has the look and feel of so many current history channel "dramatizations". But given the background of the producers , nothing surprising or overly offensive. But morality handed down by creator of a program that glorifies lying, cheating, and backstabbing is certainly ironic!



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To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Sun, Mar 3,[masked]:49 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] "The Bible" on History Channel

Not to mention that Christians are happy to claim the OT when it suits their purposes. So the OT is quite relevant to this discussion. 

Greg

On Mar 3, 2013, at 22:40, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:

And again, you have no control over what is discussed in this forum or what I discuss, or any other damned thing. Your claim is irrelevant. 
 
Obviously, you are unaware that there is a miniseries now showing on cable television that is a film version of the Bible, INCLUDING THE OLD TESTAMENT. 
 
In fact, your comments have continuously demonstrated a cognitive unawareness that is annoying.  YOU have nothing to say about what I or anyone else chooses to discuss. 
 
In a message dated 3/3/2013 6:38:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [address removed] writes:
Wow, such hostility!  Of course one may focus on Zoroastrianism if he so desires.  My suggestion seems reasonable because Christianity is presently a POV held by many more people than either Judaism or Zoroastrianism.    Your argument that the evolution of Christianity from Judaism was a process that took hundreds of years is true.  Nevertheless, my claim stands, and, your objection based upon the history of Christianity misses the point.

Mike S

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:
I will focus my attention on whatever interests me whenever I wish.  You are welcome to focus on whatever you wish.
 
To be blunt, the New is based on the Old. If the Old is mostly fiction, then the New becomes fiction by extension.  If you read early Christian history, it becomes quite apparent that there was not a view of New vs Old until well into the Fourth and Fifth Centuries.  Prior to that, "Christianity" was for the most part an extension of Judaism that evolved and changed due to politics more than theology.
 
 
In a message dated 3/3/2013 6:21:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [address removed] writes:
Since Christianity has been ascendent in the West since Constantine , even though it evolved from Judaism; and, since the New Testament is taken by Christians as superseding the Old; why not focus your criticism on the New rather than the Old?  Focusing on the God of the Old Testament seems like the wrong target because either God has evolved (Unlikely.), or, the believer's understanding of God has.   If the existence of Christianity bothered me that much, I would follow that course.

Mike S

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:
Too many read the book devotionally rather than objectively. They ignore or attempt to rationalize the parts that show the hebrews to be no more "special" or "chosen" than any other brutal tribe of bloodthirsty conquerors!



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To: humanism-174
Sent: Sun, Mar 3,[masked]:52 am
Subject: Re: Re: [humanism-174] "The Bible" on History Channel

Very well said Glen. This is the reason why I can't understand people who make an academic study of the Bible and tout it as containing useful lessons on virtue, morality, ethics and yet are not disgusted and sickened by what they read in it.

Randy


From: Glen <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, March 3,[masked]:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [humanism-174] "The Bible" on History Channel

Just like the religious "specials" before Christmas, this is just an attempt to capitalize generally increased religious sentiments in the weeks before Easter.  Of course it will be a sanitized version of the Bible. Do you think there's any chance they'll show little children and babies getting their heads lopped off while the Israelites obey God's command to slaughter every man, woman, child and animal among the Canaanites, Midianites, etc.  It makes me sick when I read the lame attempts of apologists and pastors to excuse these things (ranging from "anything God does has to be right and loving by definition" to ""it's a mystery" to "it was a different time" -- while in the next breath saying God never changes). I sometimes ask people making such arguments, if YOU were in the Israel army, would you obey such commands--even hacking up little babies, and assume you were doing God's will? They'll usually squirm, but most won't give a straight answer. Those
who say "yes" (and some will) scare me. After all, it's essentially the same mentality of those that strap bombs to their bodies in restaurants or slammed jets into the World Trade Center.
 



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