Re: [humanism-174] "The Bible" on History Channel

From: HOLIDAY
Sent on: Monday, March 4, 2013 8:25 PM
YEP, and without Satan, Christianity would be out of business. 

(Kinda like how judges and lawyers depend on criminals to feed their own families.)

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:
lol, very true.  In fact, Satan goes through a number of incarnations throughout the Bible.  He is seen first as "THE Serpent" (my emphasis on "the"), later as "the Adversary" (Book of Job).  In the NT, he evolves into a human-like tempter. It is only with later Christian artists that we start seeing what we think of as the traditional "Devil".  And yes, he was supposedly the hottest of the angels (pun intended).  In my own opinion, Satan may have been the most wrongly maligned character in the whole book!  Of course, I also am of the opinion that Yahweh is one of history's top fictional villains:  Hannibal Lecter, The Walking Dude, Lex Luthor, The Joker, Goldfinger, and Ernst Stavro Blofeld all rolled into one!
 
Tim
 
In a message dated 3/4/2013 8:06:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [address removed] writes:
I saw this and thought of you . . . .


On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:
The only real "fact" regarding the existence of Jesus is the fact that there is very little evidence to support his existence. By evidence, I would mean documentation outside of the gospels--which were admittedly written by anonymous and devotional authors.  In other words, no objective evidence.
 
However, the evidence that the human First Century Judaean apocalyptic preacher was a complete invention is also pretty sparse. 
 
In other words, I would not call the verdict complete or final by any means, for either position.
 
Nonetheless, the author of CAESAR'S MESSIAH  seems to give much greater importance to the Jews than is warranted by history.  According to Josephus, during the so-called Jewish Wars, Romans killed more than 600,000 Jews, emptied Jerusalem, and destroyed the Jewish Temple (69 AD).  They hardle needed to invent a "peaceful" messiah in order to pacify them, especially since all early Christian histories show that Jews almost completely denied that Jesus was a messiah.
 
Anyone else here read this book or seen this "documentary"?  I have no interest in ludicrous conspiracy books, but I AM curious about the "deniers". 
 
Tim Campbell
 
In a message dated 3/4/2013 7:24:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [address removed] writes:
 I will not follow this crazy conspiracist stuff. However It is a fact that even though the Jews represent 1% of the American population, they are overly represented in our government. Whereas, non-believers represent almost 20%. And we are not being represented at all.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Heathen Gliebe <[address removed]> wrote:
I have been in the "religious debating circles" for over 20+ years and being TOLERANT of those that don't tolerate YOU is exactly why these sick, monotheist religions that started out as cults like every other religion have so many followers. ZERO TOLERANCE.

 If I am stuck at a dinner where everyone is Christian and they started asking me about it, or trying to get me to go to church.. I no longer sit there and be "silent"... let's just put it that way. This is the computer age, if they can get on the computer to search out which cars are the best to buy, they can get on the computer to search which God they are going to worship. And then, maybe in that process, they will run into the TRUTH, like the fact that Jesus never existed. 

MUST SEE DOCUMENTARY = Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus  PROBABLY one of the reasons why the Pope quit early... 

Is anyone here going to be celebrating "Jesus turned into a Zombie day" aka Easter?? 

PS. Feminism is a tragedy. We girls had the guys trained to open doors for us, now watch what happens. We have to do it ourselves now.








On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Greg Priddy <[address removed]> wrote:
I wonder what the numbers for Judaism would be if it was an evangelical religion?

On Mon, 4 Mar[masked]:24:32 -0500
 Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
Tim said: "However, those two refined the art of tribalism to a degree
several powers above that contributed by Judaism."

And how! The last time I saw a current religious adherents worldwide
breakdown, the number adhering to Judaism stood at 12 million. Compare with
2 billion Christians & 1.3 billion Muslims.
On Mar 4,[masked]:00 PM, "Tim Campbell" <[address removed]> wrote:

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Seems like an overly harsh assessment of Jews as well as Judaism.
We DO owe to Judaism religions of exclusion and religion-based war and
religion-based massacre, but tribalism and warfare and massacres certainly
existed well before Judaism added their particular god to the mix.

We also owe to Judaism Stephen Spielberg, Albert Einstein, and a
disproportionate share of the world's scientists, artists, and
humanitarians.

I would not single out Judaism, but I do agree that Christianity and Islam
came out of Judaism.  However, those two refined the art of tribalism to a
degree several powers above that contributed by Judaism.

And yeah, I never heard of all non-Jews being considered "the devil".

Tim Campbell

 In a message dated 3/4/2013 4:34:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[address removed] writes:

I consider myself a feminist.  Maybe you're using a different definition.

And in all my years on earth I don't recall ever hearing a Jew say that
all non-Jews are the devil.

Chris


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On Mar 4, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Heathen Gliebe <[address removed]>
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> Focusing on the Old Testament aka JUDAISM is EXACTLY what everyone
should be focusing on.
>
> Every corrupt, degenerate, stupid ideology we have today stems from
Judaism...!!!
>
> Like Communism, Zionism, Feminism, Racism, Christ-insanity, Islam, etc.,
>
> Judaism is the ROOT of the problem. You are only swatting at weeds when
you attack Christianity and Islam.
>
> Talk about the sickest, vile CRAP ever... If you want HATE speech? Read
some of the 36-39 volumes of the Talmud. At least Christ-Insanity has a bad
guy or "devil" ... The devil in Judaism is ALL NON JEWS!!!!!
>
> Silly Goyim!! (unclean Gentile sub-human cattle!)
>
> www.ultragod.com
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> On Mar 4, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Glen <[address removed]> wrote:
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>> Mike wrote:
>>
>> "Since Christianity has been ascendent in the West since Constantine ,
even though it evolved from Judaism; and, since the New Testament is taken
by Christians as superseding the Old; why not focus your criticism on the
New rather than the Old?  Focusing on the God of the Old Testament seems
like the wrong target because either God has evolved (Unlikely.), or, the
believer's understanding of God has...
>>
>> First, I don't focus on just the old Testament. There are plenty of
problems and inconsistencies in the NT also that I and others have pointed
out before. Second, many Christians themselves don't accept that God or
their religion has "evolved." Many if not most insist that God never
changes, that the OT is still relevant and valid, and point to comments by
Jesus supporting that, etc. Many also base their young-earth creationist
beliefs on a literal reading of Genesis.  At the same time many ignore the
most troublesome passages in the OT, like the ones I mentioned. Likewise,
most praise the 10 commandments but only heed certain ones, and largely
ignore the prescribed penalties for breaking them (or say in contradiction
to their other claims, that the penalties no longer apply).
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